Trump Pentagon first offered National Guard to Capitol four days before Jan. 6 riots,

Phantasmal said:
You are wrong, the Speaker and the Mayor have no authority to call the DC National Guard.


[FONT="]“The D.C. National Guard is the only National Guard unit, out of all of the 54 states and territories, which reports only to the President.”

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The National Guard use can only be authorised by the President. The DEPLOYMENT of the National Guard on Capital Hill requires the permission of the Speaker of the House. The deployment of the National Guard in DC city limits requires the permission of the DC mayor Bowser. Here is the OFFICAL timeline of evens as per the Capitol police. You can clearly see the DOD was in contact with the Capitol police days prior to the Capital riots. The DOD offered them the use of the National Guard and after they consulted Pelosi they said no. The DOD wouldn't have offer the NBG if Trump had not first approved their use. https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-06/USCPJan.6Timeline.pdf
 
ExpressLane said:
The National Guard use can only be authorised by the President. The DEPLOYMENT of the National Guard on Capital Hill requires the permission of the Speaker of the House. The deployment of the National Guard in DC city limits requires the permission of the DC mayor Bowser. Here is the OFFICAL timeline of evens as per the Capitol police. You can clearly see the DOD was in contact with the Capitol police days prior to the Capital riots. The DOD offered them the use of the National Guard and after they consulted Pelosi they said no. The DOD wouldn't have offer the NBG if Trump had not first approved their use. https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-06/USCPJan.6Timeline.pdf
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This is not the same as Trump offering the Nat’l Guard, that was a lie. This discusses how the agencies didn’t ask for the Guard. That was a failure of security heads and not Pelosi. Pelosi asked for resignations because of the failures of Sund and others.

https://www.npr.org/sections/insurr...litary-leader-to-lead-capitol-security-review
 
ExpressLane said:
Trump had already authorised the us of the National Guard 4 days earlier . Nancy Pelosi rejected their use. The ball was already in Nancy's court on January the 6th. TRump does not have the authority to deploy National Guard on the Hill only Nancy Pelosi can do that after Trump O'K's their use. He OK'd the use of the National Guard on January the 2nd.
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So he knew about the plan? :laugh: You just admitted it without realizing.
 
Phantasmal said:
This is not the same as Trump offering the Nat’l Guard, that was a lie. This discusses how the agencies didn’t ask for the Guard. That was a failure of security heads and not Pelosi. Pelosi asked for resignations because of the failures of Sund and others.

https://www.npr.org/sections/insurr...litary-leader-to-lead-capitol-security-review
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Pelosi is responsible for the security on the capital. There is documentation that she rejected the national guard due to "optics" She is CYA firing Sund. The buck stops on her desk she very clearly failed. There are FIVE White House officials that back up Sund's story and the DOD officials were contacting Sund which would not have been done if Trump had not first authorized the use of the NG.

The former chief of U.S. Capitol Police says security officials at the House and Senate rebuffed his early requests to call in the National Guard ahead of a demonstration in support of President Trump that turned into a deadly attack on Congress.

Former chief Steven Sund -- who resigned his post last week after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called for him to step down -- made the assertions in an interview with The Washington Post published Sunday.

Sund contradicts claims made by officials after Wednesday's assault on Capitol Hill. Sund's superiors said previously that the National Guard and other additional security support could have been provided, but no one at the Capitol requested it.

Sund told the Post that House Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving was concerned with the "optics" of declaring an emergency ahead of the protests and rejected a National Guard presence. He says Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Michael Stenger recommended that he informally request the Guard to be ready in case it was needed to maintain security.

Like Sund, Irving and Stenger have also since resigned their posts.
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https://www.npr.org/2021/01/11/9555...ims-national-guard-was-never-called-during-ri
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ExpressLane said:
Pelosi is responsible for the security on the capital. There is documentation that she rejected the national guard due to "optics" She is CYA firing Sund. The buck stops on her desk she very clearly failed. There are FIVE White House officials that back up Sund's story and the DOD officials were contacting Sund which would not have been done if Trump had not first authorized the use of the NG.

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/11/9555...ims-national-guard-was-never-called-during-ri
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I don’t see where it says Pelosi was concerned about optics, it was Paul Irving. Pelosi didn’t request the guard because she was reassured by her Security people that they had it under control. This was all discussed back in 2021, and it was determined that Pelosi was not at fault and those who were, are no longer there.
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Phantasmal said:
ExpressLane said:
Pelosi is responsible for the security on the capital. There is documentation that she rejected the national guard due to "optics" She is CYA firing Sund. The buck stops on her desk she very clearly failed. There are FIVE White House officials that back up Sund's story and the DOD officials were contacting Sund which would not have been done if Trump had not first authorized the use of the NG.


I don’t see where it says Pelosi was concerned about optics, it was Paul Irving. Pelosi didn’t request the guard because she was reassured by her Security people that they had it under control. This was all discussed back in 2021, and it was determined that Pelosi was not at fault and those who were, are no longer there.
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You might want to read this. She certainly was at fault. And she should be made to testify. https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-06/USCP-Jan6AfterActionReportandRecommendations6-4-21.pdf
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Truth Detector said:
Why didn't the Mayor of DC and Pelosi act?
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Neither had any legal right to act.

Truth Detector said:
That is a lie. Pelosi and the Mayor of DC refused to call them out. The President cannot call out the guard. He can only authorize it. Why did the Mayor of DC and Pelosi refuse the authorization?
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When it comes to the National Guard, the governor holds almost all the cards. City mayors and speakers of one chamber of legislators have absolutely no power over the National Guard. Pelosi does not even have direct control over the Capitol Police.

There is no governor in DC, so the President acts as the Governor of DC. trump alone had the power to call out the National Guard for law enforcement duties.

Truth Detector said:
The Posse Comitatus Act has not changed much since that time.
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The Posse Comitatus Act specifically does not limit the National Guard. The National Guard is supposed to act as law enforcement, and as the militias has done so since well before the USA existed. It would be unconstitutional for Congress to pass a law restricting the National Guard from law enforcement.

ExpressLane said:
Stop lying....Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer turned the offer down as did DC Mayor Bowser.
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Schumer was the Senate Minority Leader at the time. If you are looking for the senior member of the oversight committee of the Capitol Police, that would have been Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. The Senate was evenly split, so VP Pence decided it for the McConnell. When VP Harris took over, she decided it for Schumer, but that was later, on January 20th.
Truth Detector said:
You cannot unilaterally send in the National Guard if the city and police authority, in this case Pelosi, don't want it.
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Phantasmal said:
This is not the same as Trump offering the Nat’l Guard, that was a lie. This discusses how the agencies didn’t ask for the Guard. That was a failure of security heads and not Pelosi. Pelosi asked for resignations because of the failures of Sund and others.

https://www.npr.org/sections/insurr...litary-leader-to-lead-capitol-security-review
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You like lying you dumb ass off don't you? The agencies are controlled by Pelosi and the Mayor of DC. THEY refused to request the National Guard which Trump AUTHORIZED based on the intelligence.

I wish you could be less of a moron. Really I do. :palm:
 
AProudLefty said:
So he knew about the plan? You just admitted it without realizing.
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Read the sourced links so that you can comprehend what we are talking about halfwit. It was sourced intelligence that Trump, Pelosi and Schumer were given that there was a possibility of violence.

It doesn't suggest that Trump planned it you boorish halfwit. Grow a fucking brain already. :palm:
 
Phantasmal said:
I don’t see where it says Pelosi was concerned about optics, it was Paul Irving. Pelosi didn’t request the guard because she was reassured by her Security people that they had it under control. This was all discussed back in 2021, and it was determined that Pelosi was not at fault and those who were, are no longer there.
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Source to this bullshit? Link?
 
Walt said:
Neither had any legal right to act.
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So Pelosi does not control the Capital police and the Mayor of DC does not command the police?

Get the fuck out of here. You're a lying moron. :palm:

Walt said:
When it comes to the National Guard, the governor holds almost all the cards. City mayors and speakers of one chamber of legislators have absolutely no power over the National Guard. Pelosi does not even have direct control over the Capitol Police.
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There is no Governor of DC you uneducated dumbass. :palm:
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/...check/65-1f276d84-9d06-425b-9bf8-fa0743d0f0d2

Walt said:
There is no governor in DC, so the President acts as the Governor of DC. trump alone had the power to call out the National Guard for law enforcement duties.
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Wrong again halfwit. Muriel Bowser runs the city as Governor. Trump can only authorize and release the guard at her and Pelosi's, when it is the Capital, request.

Only Congress can provide the authority for a President to use National Guardsmen or troops in a civilian matter.

It was offered, the two Democratic morons refused it even when advised there could be violence. Those are the FACTS halfwit. :palm:

Walt said:
The Posse Comitatus Act specifically does not limit the National Guard. The National Guard is supposed to act as law enforcement, and as the militias has done so since well before the USA existed. It would be unconstitutional for Congress to pass a law restricting the National Guard from law enforcement.
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You better go back and read the act. A president cannot just willy nilly send in the guard whenever he wants. That requires civilian authority and Congress. Halfwit.

Walt said:
Schumer was the Senate Minority Leader at the time. If you are looking for the senior member of the oversight committee of the Capitol Police, that would have been Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. The Senate was evenly split, so VP Pence decided it for the McConnell. When VP Harris took over, she decided it for Schumer, but that was later, on January 20th.
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McConnel was not the majority leader dumbass. He was the MINORITY leader on January 6th. Pelosi us the House Speaker. She is in charge of the House. Teh House has oversight. Her office controls security matters. :palm:
 
Truth Detector said:
So Pelosi does not control the Capital police and the Mayor of DC does not command the police?
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The National Guard is state level law enforcement, and is under the command of the governor, except where there is no governor. There they are under the command of the president, who commands them as a law enforcement body. Within DC trump did not have to ask anyone for control of the National Guard, much like within Virginia their governor does not have to ask anyone for control of their National Guard. A mayor has no control over state level law enforcement, whether it is state troopers or the National Guard.

Pelosi was one of the votes for one third of the control of the Capitol Police. If she did not like what the House Sergeant-of-Arms was doing, she would have to get the entire House to vote to remove him. It would be an entire process, after which she would have only changed one third of the votes on the governing body.

Truth Detector said:
There is no Governor of DC you uneducated dumbass.
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Yes, I mentioned that. In a state, the Commander-In-Chief of the National Guard is the governor. In DC, it is the president. So even when the DC National Guard has not been federalized, and is doing law enforcement duties, it is under the command of the president.

Truth Detector said:
Muriel Bowser runs the city as Governor. Trump can only authorize and release the guard at her and Pelosi's, when it is the Capital, request.
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You do not run a city as a governor, you run a city as a mayor. The city the mayor runs just happens to completely overlap with DC, but overlapping does not give her power over the National Guard. trump was completely able to use the National Guard to takeover St. John's Episcopal Church without any authorization from random mayors, or legislators.

Truth Detector said:
Only Congress can provide the authority for a President to use National Guardsmen or troops in a civilian matter.
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Within their own state, there is no need for Congressional authority for the National Guard to act as law enforcement.

Truth Detector said:
McConnel was not the majority leader dumbass. He was the MINORITY leader on January 6th.
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You are just batting zero here. You are getting nothing right. After the 2020 election, the Senate was split 50/50. That meant the tie breaking vote of who would be the Majority Leader was in the hands of the VP. On January 6th, the VP was Pence, so McConnell was the Majority Leader. On January 20th, the VP was Harris, so Schumer became the Majority Leader.
 
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