Three Words Mr. President: "Medicare for All"

Southern Man said:
The dummy must be you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_savings_account
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WRONG again you ignorant motherfucker.

HSA's weren't reform you stupid bastard .. didn't you fucking read your own material?

HSAs were established as part of the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act which was signed into law by President George W. Bush on December 8, 2003. They were developed to replace the Medical Savings Account system.

And further ..

According to the Commonwealth Fund, early experience with HSA-eligible high-deductible health plans reveals low satisfaction, high out-of-pocket costs, and cost-related access problems.[20] A survey conducted with the Employee Benefit Research Institute found that people enrolled in HSA-eligible high-deductible health plans were much less satisfied with many aspects of their health care than adults in more comprehensive plans:

People in these plans allocate substantial amounts of income to their health care, especially those who have poorer health or lower incomes.
Adults in high-deductible health plans are far more likely to delay or avoid getting needed care, or to skip medications, because of the cost. Problems are particularly pronounced among those with poorer health or lower incomes.
Few Americans in any health plan have the information they need to make decisions. Just 12 to 16 percent of insured adults have information from their health plan about the quality or cost of care provided by their doctors and hospitals.

Are you even fucking aware of the history of HSA"s and who voted for it?

Now I ask of two dummies .. what REAL healthcare reform did Bush propose that democrats stood in the way of.
 
blackascoal said:
WRONG again you ignorant motherfucker.

HSA's weren't reform you stupid bastard .. didn't you fucking read your own material?

HSAs were established as part of the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act which was signed into law by President George W. Bush on December 8, 2003. They were developed to replace the Medical Savings Account system.

And further ..

According to the Commonwealth Fund, early experience with HSA-eligible high-deductible health plans reveals low satisfaction, high out-of-pocket costs, and cost-related access problems.[20] A survey conducted with the Employee Benefit Research Institute found that people enrolled in HSA-eligible high-deductible health plans were much less satisfied with many aspects of their health care than adults in more comprehensive plans:

People in these plans allocate substantial amounts of income to their health care, especially those who have poorer health or lower incomes.
Adults in high-deductible health plans are far more likely to delay or avoid getting needed care, or to skip medications, because of the cost. Problems are particularly pronounced among those with poorer health or lower incomes.
Few Americans in any health plan have the information they need to make decisions. Just 12 to 16 percent of insured adults have information from their health plan about the quality or cost of care provided by their doctors and hospitals.

Are you even fucking aware of the history of HSA"s and who voted for it?

Now I ask of two dummies .. what REAL healthcare reform did Bush propose that democrats stood in the way of.
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The Republicans were trying to get folks to understand the concept of paying out-of-pocket for routine care and carrying a high-deductible policy to take care of catastrophic problems, and give them a way to do that tax free while providing long term savings. Its the best way to utilize the free market system to control costs and increase quality. Any dissatisfaction is from folks who want someone else to pay for what is their personal responsibility.

The Medical Savings Account system was a disaster because you paid money in and what you didn't use that year got taken away.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
here's my Republican congressman's plan for health care reform....



got it in an email yesterday....
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Do Shadegg and Hoekstra have a bill? Or is publishing an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal now the first step in the lawmaking process and no one told me about it?

Oh, and are they serious? Better yet, are you serious?
 
TurdFerguson said:
Do Shadegg and Hoekstra have a bill? Or is publishing an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal now the first step in the lawmaking process and no one told me about it?

Oh, and are they serious? Better yet, are you serious?
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no Republican ideas have been accepted by the Democratically controlled committee designing the bills to be considered......lest fools who call themselves liberals continue to complain that Republicans have no ideas, it may be necessary to take them to the media to have them heard.....

am I serious?....I am seriously doubting your intelligence....does that count?.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
no Republican ideas have been accepted by the Democratically controlled committee designing the bills to be considered......lest fools who call themselves liberals continue to complain that Republicans have no ideas, it may be necessary to take them to the media to have them heard.....

am I serious?....I am seriously doubting your intelligence....does that count?.....
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1) You don't need permission from any committee to file a bill.

2) Plenty of Republican ideas were accepted by the House Energy and Commerce Committee and I'm sure that plenty were accepted by the other House committees as well. On the Senate side maybe you haven't been paying attention but the Republicans have had plenty of say in the Finance Committee bill. As fro SHadegg, let's see what he wanted through the amndement process:

An Amendment offered by Rep. Shadegg, R-AZ., would require the new government plan to negotiate payment rates with health care providers. Currently, the government plan intends to link its payment rates to those of other government health programs which under-reimburse for services. Requiring the government plan to negotiate rates just as other insurance companies do will help prevent the new government plan from undercutting private insurance companies and driving them out of business.
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There's your boy Shadegg looking out for you by offering an amendment to make sure that the government plan can't control costs or cut into private insurance profits. It's a real shame that gem of a Republican idea was not accepted by the Energy and Commerce Committee.


What a joke.
 
Whyile I agree that Some form of Medicare for all is the simplest, cheapest, most cost efficient way to deal with this, there's not a chance in hell Obama will ever stick his neck out on the line for that.
 
Cypress said:
Whyile I agree that Some form of Medicare for all is the simplest, cheapest, most cost efficient way to deal with this, there's not a chance in hell Obama will ever stick his neck out on the line for that.
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Hm... I think working with a graduated pay scale (if you can afford it you should pay a bit for it) that something like it that people know would have a better chance at meeting less opposition.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
here's my Republican congressman's plan for health care reform....



got it in an email yesterday....
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Lipstick on a pig brother and a defense of the insurance industry.

The vast majority of people are incapable of independently deciding healthcare choices.

Mediacre for All is far superior in my opinion.
 
this statement...The vast majority of people are incapable of independently deciding health care choice, is the speak of a true Socialist and is BS..

the majority of people polled, I think it was 80% like the health care they have now..so how does that make them idiots?

anything to take control over the peoples lives is what a Socialist-Progressive strive for folks...think about it.

say no to the take over of our health care decisions by this administration..
 
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blackascoal said:
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The vast majority of people are incapable of independently deciding healthcare choices......
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This identifies your problem on a very basic level- you don't trust folks to make their own decisions and think that you're better qualified to make their decisions for them. I got news for you Einstein, even if you were the smartest cookie on the sheet, which you clearly ain't, you still wouldn't be better qualified then the individual consumer acting within a free market system. :pke:
 
meme said:
Bull, we want REAL health care reform..not a GOVERNMENT take over of our entire health care system...especially by this corrupted and crooked administration..

call your reps..tell them NO to the Hugo Obama, unless you want to be a slave for them..
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So I take it conservatives are advocting abolition of medicare now? You guys are schizophrenic.
 
Chapdog said:
Somehow this will be tax increase in fixed expense increase for me.
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Medicare for all would probably come with a tax increase (unless they try to finance it all on debt). But you wouldn't have to pay health insurance premiums (or have part of your salary paid in premiums instead of cash).
 
Southern Man said:
The Republicans were trying to get folks to understand the concept of paying out-of-pocket for routine care and carrying a high-deductible policy to take care of catastrophic problems, and give them a way to do that tax free while providing long term savings. Its the best way to utilize the free market system to control costs and increase quality. Any dissatisfaction is from folks who want someone else to pay for what is their personal responsibility..
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Wow. People like my system far less than the old system. But this isn't my fault, it's there's. Suck it.

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Conservatives. Who's really avoiding the personal responsibility here? Free markets in healthcare is contradictory to the laws of economics.
 
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