The Cold Math of Securing Schools

Mina

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After a school shooter kills a bunch of kids, people intent on diverting attention from gun control have a tendency to focus on enhancing physical security at schools, by way of armed guards, armored access points, etc. It can seem heartless to focus on the cost of those things when kids are dying.... but that's what I'm going to do.

First, installing one armed guard at a school is unlikely to do anything. Someone intent on mass slaughter could simply walk up to the guard and gun him down before he even had his gun unholstered. It would just be another body on the pile. If you're going to make any real difference, you'd need at least two on duty, with a multiple-checkpoint setup, such that if you attack the guard at the first checkpoint, the second checkpoint gets locked down by a second guard (probably manning a security camera feed some distance away) and the attacker can't get in. That's the kind of setup you see at secure facilities.

So, what would it cost, per school, to have a setup like that? Assuming you're not comfortable with untrained minimum-wage goons, let's say $50,000 per guard per year, minimum, fully loaded (counting benefits). And let's say 2.5 guards per school (some extra to cover absences). There are 130,930 K-12 schools in the US. So, about $16.4 billion per year, plus however much you need for those security cameras, remote locking doors, and other retrofits. We'll conservatively estimate those are fairly cheap and the whole thing can cost just $20 billion per year.

OK. And how many lives will that save? Let's give it every benefit of the doubt and imagine it's perfectly effective -- that these guards manage to completely stop school shootings, while never accidentally shooting the wrong person. So, let's say about 36 lives saved per year, average:

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019/07/us/ten-years-of-school-shootings-trnd/

OK, that's a cost-per-life-saved of about $556 million per life.

Now, you might be tempted to say a life is infinitely valuable, so that's well worth it. But, as a practical matter, that's just not how budgeting is done in other contexts.

For example, in the Bush years, if a proposed EPA rule cost over $3.7 million per anticipated life saved (e.g., efforts to reduce arsenic in drinking water), it was considered too expensive to be worth it. With Clinton, they were more liberal about it and put the threshold at $6.1 million:

https://www.americanprogress.org/ar...-costs-and-benefits-of-cost-benefit-analysis/

Obviously, even the higher of those numbers is VASTLY below the $556 million level we're talking about here.

Some studies suggest that any regulation that costs more than, say, $15 million per life saved will actually hurt income levels enough that such a regulation will indirectly cost more lives than it will save:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1465-7295.1999.tb01450.x
https://www.semanticscholar.org/pap...rall/d2010e118e2edcd1e2e0e99227af6047b66355e6

For example, people whose take-home pay is lower thanks to funding all this extra school security may skimp on vehicle maintenance or healthcare, and that will end up costing more lives than you're saving.

Some studies have put the number even lower, around $12 million:

https://law.vanderbilt.edu/files/archive/215_Value_of_Life_Legal_Contexts.pdf

The gap we're talking about is huge, between that hypothetical $12M-$15M/life point of being counter-productive, and the $556M/life we're talking about here.

Even if you think you can get all that benefit with only half as many guards with half the other security spending, we're still talking almost twenty times the cost-per-life-saved that studies say you can have before the cost is actually driving deaths UP indirectly.

Even if you're in the camp where money should be no object when it comes to saving the lives of kids, then spend those same billions on bigger subsidies for childhood healthcare, for instance, or regulations to make vehicles safer, or spending to make roads safer (more streetlights and guardrails, better signage), or enhanced childhood nutrition, etc.; you'd save many, many more lives of children:

https://books.google.com/books?id=L...ge&q="cost per life saved" guardrails&f=false

So, the approach of trying to prevent school shootings by way of more physical security is almost certainly a loser. Any spending in that area is likely to have a cost-per-life-saved so huge that we'd do better spending the same money any number of other places.... or not spending it at all.
 
After a school shooter kills a bunch of kids, people intent on diverting attention from gun control have a tendency to focus on enhancing physical security at schools, by way of armed guards, armored access points, etc. It can seem heartless to focus on the cost of those things when kids are dying.... but that's what I'm going to do.

First, installing one armed guard at a school is unlikely to do anything. Someone intent on mass slaughter could simply walk up to the guard and gun him down before he even had his gun unholstered. It would just be another body on the pile. If you're going to make any real difference, you'd need at least two on duty, with a multiple-checkpoint setup, such that if you attack the guard at the first checkpoint, the second checkpoint gets locked down by a second guard (probably manning a security camera feed some distance away) and the attacker can't get in. That's the kind of setup you see at secure facilities.

So, what would it cost, per school, to have a setup like that? Assuming you're not comfortable with untrained minimum-wage goons, let's say $50,000 per guard per year, minimum, fully loaded (counting benefits). And let's say 2.5 guards per school (some extra to cover absences). There are 130,930 K-12 schools in the US. So, about $16.4 billion per year, plus however much you need for those security cameras, remote locking doors, and other retrofits. We'll conservatively estimate those are fairly cheap and the whole thing can cost just $20 billion per year.

OK. And how many lives will that save? Let's give it every benefit of the doubt and imagine it's perfectly effective -- that these guards manage to completely stop school shootings, while never accidentally shooting the wrong person. So, let's say about 36 lives saved per year, average:

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019/07/us/ten-years-of-school-shootings-trnd/

OK, that's a cost-per-life-saved of about $556 million per life.

Now, you might be tempted to say a life is infinitely valuable, so that's well worth it. But, as a practical matter, that's just not how budgeting is done in other contexts.

For example, in the Bush years, if a proposed EPA rule cost over $3.7 million per anticipated life saved (e.g., efforts to reduce arsenic in drinking water), it was considered too expensive to be worth it. With Clinton, they were more liberal about it and put the threshold at $6.1 million:

https://www.americanprogress.org/ar...-costs-and-benefits-of-cost-benefit-analysis/

Obviously, even the higher of those numbers is VASTLY below the $556 million level we're talking about here.

Some studies suggest that any regulation that costs more than, say, $15 million per life saved will actually hurt income levels enough that such a regulation will indirectly cost more lives than it will save:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1465-7295.1999.tb01450.x
https://www.semanticscholar.org/pap...rall/d2010e118e2edcd1e2e0e99227af6047b66355e6

For example, people whose take-home pay is lower thanks to funding all this extra school security may skimp on vehicle maintenance or healthcare, and that will end up costing more lives than you're saving.

Some studies have put the number even lower, around $12 million:

https://law.vanderbilt.edu/files/archive/215_Value_of_Life_Legal_Contexts.pdf

The gap we're talking about is huge, between that hypothetical $12M-$15M/life point of being counter-productive, and the $556M/life we're talking about here.

Even if you think you can get all that benefit with only half as many guards with half the other security spending, we're still talking almost twenty times the cost-per-life-saved that studies say you can have before the cost is actually driving deaths UP indirectly.

Even if you're in the camp where money should be no object when it comes to saving the lives of kids, then spend those same billions on bigger subsidies for childhood healthcare, for instance, or regulations to make vehicles safer, or spending to make roads safer (more streetlights and guardrails, better signage), or enhanced childhood nutrition, etc.; you'd save many, many more lives of children:

https://books.google.com/books?id=L...ge&q="cost per life saved" guardrails&f=false

So, the approach of trying to prevent school shootings by way of more physical security is almost certainly a loser. Any spending in that area is likely to have a cost-per-life-saved so huge that we'd do better spending the same money any number of other places.... or not spending it at all.

we shold use some of that ukraine money for it.
 
we shold use some of that ukraine money for it.

Regardless of where the money comes from, the issue is still the same: at a cost-per-life-saved anywhere even close to half a billion each, we'd do better spending the money on countless other things, or just refunding it to taxpayers.
 
Nonsense.

There would be thousands of volunteers who would work for zero wages.

Where there are no volunteers, hire retired military, police. Just salary, these people already have benefits.

The solution that the left desires is the total confiscation of all guns.

Then, only the children shooters will have guns.
 
keep the doors locked (from the outside), easy peasy.

schools here have one school employed guard (fully qualified) and one policeman. they generally stay busy with fights and other lower key scuffles.

The whole problem in Texas was a door being left unlocked. That is inexcusable.
 
keep the doors locked (from the outside), easy peasy.

schools here have one school employed guard (fully qualified) and one policeman. they generally stay busy with fights and other lower key scuffles.

The whole problem in Texas was a door being left unlocked. That is inexcusable.


Amazing how you gun nut lost contact with reality.
 
keep the doors locked (from the outside), easy peasy.

schools here have one school employed guard (fully qualified) and one policeman. they generally stay busy with fights and other lower key scuffles.

The whole problem in Texas was a door being left unlocked. That is inexcusable.

Can an AR15 style rifle break through a lock in seconds? Or maybe the shooter chooses to wait until the kids are at recess and on the playground.
 
We should have used all of our Afghanistan money for it.

Certainly the Afghanistan occupation was horribly wasteful. But, even so, there are plenty of things that money would be better spent on than securing our schools. The math just doesn't work. Any realistic cost-per-life-saved figure for that effort ends up far and away too high to make sense.
 
We're not going to do shit about school shootings, so why waste our time talking about it?
It's pretty obvious that Americans are willing to sacrifice kids for total firearms freedom. No value judgements. People feel what they feel.
We have our values and the civilized world has theirs.

How long ago was Columbine?
Why do you bang your heads against the wall?

Middle America doesn't even believe that Sandy Hook happened at all.
At least when a few Texas kids get capped and wasted, they at least acknowledge that it happened.
They still don't care, however.
 
Regardless of where the money comes from, the issue is still the same: at a cost-per-life-saved anywhere even close to half a billion each, we'd do better spending the money on countless other things, or just refunding it to taxpayers.
You don't have children.
Those that do are more than willing to pay the price.
A price I might add which is no where near what your guessing.
Armed guards are paid 15-16 $/hr and despite your opinion
One is more than sufficient.
Cowardly children killers do not shoot at cops,
They prefer the safety of "gun free zones" and helpless victims.
Thank Joe Biden for the killing fields known as gun free zone by the way.
 
Nonsense.

There would be thousands of volunteers who would work for zero wages.

I doubt it. Sure, you might get some in the initial flush, but could they be relied on regularly? Would they undergo the needed background checks and training?

And even if people were doing it for free, it wouldn't change the basic math. If those volunteers were serious about saving kids, they'd do more good volunteering their time any number of other ways, where similar hours of volunteering would save vastly more young lives. For example, if you can save a life for every $5 million spent by doing better maintenance of roads, or for every $555 million spent by having armed guards at schools, then that suggests that you'd save as many lives volunteering a single hour of your labor to help the local highway authority fix up the roads as you would by volunteering 111 of your hours to guard a school..... and if you end up siphoning off free time that would otherwise be spent on other volunteer efforts, you could very easily drive up the death toll, net.

Where there are no volunteers, hire retired military, police. Just salary, these people already have benefits.

How much do you think a retired military or police officer costs, on average, per year?
 
You don't have children.
Those that do are more than willing to pay the price.
A price I might add which is no where near what your guessing.
Armed guards are paid 15-16 $/hr and despite your opinion
One is more than sufficient.
Cowardly children killers do not shoot at cops,
They prefer the safety of "gun free zones" and helpless victims.
Thank Joe Biden for the killing fields known as gun free zone by the way.


Pretend you care about the children, and then run down Democrats.
Why don't you just tattoo "Asshole" across your forehead so you don't have to open your fucking mouth for people to know.
 
Pretend you care about the children, and then run down Democrats.
Why don't you just tattoo "Asshole" across your forehead so you don't have to open your fucking mouth for people to know.

I didn't run down Democrats you cunt.
Biden is an aberration.
 
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