Happy MLK, Jr. Weekend!

OrnotBitwise

OrnotBitwise

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What, no complaints about the scandalously P.C. holiday from out in right field? What's the world coming to, I ask you?

Everyone have a great three day weekend, honoring one of the greatest Americans ever.

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OrnotBitwise said:
What, no complaints about the scandalously P.C. holiday from out in right field? What's the world coming to, I ask you?

Everyone have a great three day weekend, honoring one of the greatest Americans ever.

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Well ...considering it is now a Real National Holiday ... people are either off or working for double time and a half.... whats to complain about?
 
I'd like it, as it is my birthday too... But I haven't gotten that day off since I was in the Navy.
 
OrnotBitwise said:
What, no complaints about the scandalously P.C. holiday from out in right field? What's the world coming to, I ask you?

Everyone have a great three day weekend, honoring one of the greatest Americans ever.

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Why do you think it's "scandalously P.C." to celebrate one of the greatest Americans ever? Why would anyone complain about honoring a great American? Is it because MLK was black? Did you just come here and think... Wow, it's MLK Day, and not a single racist redneck republican has posted anything about it, so I need to :pke: and get them started?

Because, if that is the case here, I would say it is you who is racist. You are intentionally using race to bait an argument. You are exploiting race to make some 'more significant' point, that being, to point your finger at people you perceive as prejudiced. Racial bigotry works both ways, you know?

MLK is celebrated because the man was great, he delivered one of the most poignant messages of the century, and quite possibly, of this nation's very history. He is almost single-handily responsible for changing the hearts and minds of an indifferent or downright bigoted America.

The greatest 'non-religious' moral reference I personally have, comes from Dr. King. That we should judge people, not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. It's a lesson I would hope, the David Dukes of the World would understand, as well as the Jesse Jacksons. We can not truly "overcome" racial divisiveness, until we learn to look at our fellow man in this context, not by the color of skin.

To me, there isn't any difference in the people who look for black people who have been 'discriminated' against to exploit, and people who look for the black guy dating a white chick in a parking lot. Both types are racial bigots, and the main reason and cause for 'racism' to remain an issue in our society.
 
DIXIE: "Why do you think it's "scandalously P.C." to celebrate one of the greatest Americans ever? Why would anyone complain about honoring a great American?"

Ornot's refering to the many years throughout the 1980s and 1990s that southern states, and many conservatives, fought ferociously to keep from commemerating Dr. King with a national holiday.
 
Cypress said:
DIXIE: "Why do you think it's "scandalously P.C." to celebrate one of the greatest Americans ever? Why would anyone complain about honoring a great American?"

Ornot's refering to the many years throughout the 1980s and 1990s that southern states, and many conservatives, fought ferociously to keep from commemerating Dr. King with a national holiday.
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Well, I suppose that's fine if you want to live in the past, but how is that advancing or improving relations? In case you haven't noticed, the list of Americans who were never president, who we honor with a national holiday, is very short. While I support the holiday, I can understand the views of those who didn't, and I don't have to ascribe some inherent "racism" into their views, which wasn't there.
 
my company is the financial subsidiary of a large regional public utility made up of six public utilities operating throughout the northeast. As the financial arm for all six, our corporate policy is that we must be open any day that any of our operating companies is also open. Some of the OpCo's work on MLK Day, and some do not...so, alas.... I will be working, but the operating company I came from will not.

I must say, however, that Dixie's claims that the opposition to MLK Day - especially in the south - was not fueled, at least in part, by racism is laughable.
 
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I must say, however, that Dixie's claims that the opposition to MLK Day - especially in the south - was not fueled, at least in part, by racism is laughable.
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Yeah? Well, I have read every dissenting view on the law establishing the King holiday, and I haven't noted a singe word that was racist. The basis of the dissenting argument, centered around the establishing of a special holiday to honor a single man, something that had been previously established regarding former presidents. There was never an issue of MLK being black, as basis for any dissenting view I have found, perhaps you are privy to something I am not.

We have already determined that your criteria for establishing racism, is your bigoted opinions, and nothing else. As long as Maineman proclaims it racist, it simply IS. I'm sorry you are such a bigot, but in the reality world the rest of us live in, you have to establish proof of these charges, other than "your opinion", for them to be considered valid to anyone other than yourself.

So get busy, bucko... show me how it's laughable to state the facts, that the opposition to the King holiday was not based on race? I expect more than your profound and illustrious opinion on the matter, I want to see factual evidence to support your charge, because your case has not been made.
 
DIXIE: "The basis of the dissenting argument, centered around the establishing of a special holiday to honor a single man, something that had been previously established regarding former presidents."


Wrong again Einstein. Ever heard of Columbus Day? That's a Federal Holiday.


So, since your argument against an MLK holiday is debunked (i.e., that allegedly Federal Holidays previously only honor individuals who were Presidents), what's the next excuse you'll come up with?
 
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Hey... At least we weren't the last to accept this holiday. That is reserved for Arizona...

Even those in the South accepted the holiday before Arizona.
 
DIXIE: “The basis of the dissenting argument, centered around the establishing of a special holiday to honor a single man, something that had been previously established regarding former presidents.”


Odd. Throughout the south, “special holidays” for “single men” is quite common. Strangely enough, prior to the 1990s all those “special holidays” in the south commerated Confederate Generals, including one who went on to be a grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan:

Southern Holidays

-Robert E. Lee Day
-Jefferson Davis Day
-Stonewall Jackson Day
-Nathan Bedford Forrest Day (famous confederate general, and first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan)


Its strange, given that MLK was a great native son of the South, that a “special holiday” for him (given southerers affinity for celebrating "individual" southern men with holidays), wasn’t carried forward proudly by the Southern congressional delegation. I wonder why?

Now, you may want to abandon your previous arguments, and say that the only objection southerners had, was that MLK would be a Federal holiday. But, it begs the question: why didn’t they ever want MLK - who was a great native son of the south - to even have a southern State holiday, like these other fine southern gentlemen they created holidays for?
 
the answer is quite clear.... DIxieland is a haven for white folks.... and that is who they celebrate. period.... especially those white folks who fought to keep slavery legal.
 
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DIXIE: "The basis of the dissenting argument, centered around the establishing of a special holiday to honor a single man, something that had been previously established regarding former presidents."


Wrong again Einstein. Ever heard of Columbus Day? That's a Federal Holiday.


So, since your argument against an MLK holiday is debunked (i.e., that allegedly Federal Holidays previously only honor individuals who were Presidents), what's the next excuse you'll come up with?
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Prissy, will you please learn to understand context? The argument against the MLK holiday was debunked by Congressional vote a long time ago, I am not arguing or posing an argument here. It was stated, that this argument centered around racist views, and it simply didn't. If you can prove that it did, then I would be glad to see that evidence. As it stands, you are making a false allegation, because the dissenting argument for the King holiday, was not based on MLK being black.

Columbus was not American, he discovered America. Aside from Columbus, and Jesus, the only men we honored with a holiday were former presidents. This is not an "argument" it's a fact. It was the basis for the dissenting argument, which ultimately did not prevail in Congress, and MLK Day, became a Federal Holiday. I agree with MLK Day being a Federal Holiday, I think MLK was a great American, who deserves a Federal Holiday for the message he brought forth to America. I am not such a bigot, that I can not see or understand the opposing viewpoint, and I will not accept the lie, that it was rooted in racist views, when it clearly wasn't. See... Prissy... it's called "tolerance".... learning to have a view, yet understand the opposing view as well, without being a prejudiced bigot. You should give it a try sometime!
 
Now, you may want to abandon your previous arguments, and say that the only objection southerners had, was that MLK would be a Federal holiday. But, it begs the question: why didn’t they ever want MLK - who was a great native son of the south - to even have a southern State holiday, like these other fine southern gentlemen they created holidays for?

MLK wasn't a Confederate Hero. You are talking about deep southern states which have a rich confederate culture, paying tribute to their regional cultural icons. The argument for the MLK Holiday, was not debated in the states, it was a Federal issue, argued in Congress, over a National Holiday.

Last I checked, we don't have a Jefferson Davis Federal Holiday, and never have. The issue has never even come before Congress, to establish such a holiday. We also don't have a Benjamin Franklin Day... I think it should be on Feb 29th, and celebrated every four years... We don't have a George Mason Day! Without George Mason, none of what we presently know as the Bill of Rights, would likely exist. What about George Washington Carver Day? ...Oh... forgot... he's black, so we must not have that day because we're all a bunch of racist bigots.

Now..... Did SOME 'southerners' object to the MLK holiday because the man was black? Absolutely! I don't doubt that it helped increase membership in the Klan, and create more 'terr'ists' ...but the legal and legislative arguments against the holiday, were not based on race in any way, shape, or form. If you have something to the contrary, please present it, or retract the "racist" remarks, as that was not the case here.
 
I think its a great holiday to honor a man who died in service to America. He was argueably the greatest American of this century and clearly the greatest not president American of this century!
 
Jarod said:
I think its a great holiday to honor a man who died in service to America. He was argueably the greatest American of this century and clearly the greatest not president American of this century!
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I think you meant he was arguably the greatest American of last century. I certainly don't want to dispute that King was an influential and important person in history, as I stated, he delivered one of the most poignant messages of the century. In regards to "greatness", that is a highly subjective term, and depends largely on what is viewed as "great" by the individual. King might be the "greatest" non-president to you, but what does that mean? Is he greater than Einstein? Is he greater than Oppenheimer? Is he greater than Von Braun? Is he greater than Elvis? Is he greater than Art Linkletter or Billy Graham?

A lot of people have made unsurpassed contributions to America, and could be considered just as "great" as MLK. It was this argument, which was the basis for dissent, regarding the King holiday. It's not a racist view, it's a pragmatic view. Were Kings accomplishments deserving of a national holiday, when so many others have been forgotten or overlooked? Clearly, the issue was voted on and settled, and Congress found that King's contributions indeed warranted a special national holiday.

It's patently unfair and intellectually dishonest, to now categorize this opposition as "racist" because you disagree with it. The record shows, race was not the issue with the King holiday.
 
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