Is there any measurable way the country does better with Republican presidents?

Mina

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In another thread, we were discussing the way that, on average, the country has had a much better private-sector job creation rate during Democratic presidencies than Republican ones. It got me thinking: is there ANY indicator you can think of where performance hasn't been better, on average, during Democratic presidencies?

Famously, the country has MUCH higher real GDP growth rates when Democrats are president, stronger median real income growth, and better stock market performance. Also, it's well established that while there has been a small net increase in poverty rates during Republican presidencies, there's been a gigantic net decrease in those rates during Democratic presidencies. Dem eras also look better when it comes to the change in the share of Americans covered by health insurance.

But surely there must be SOME indicator that looks better for the Republicans, right?

My first thought was maybe crime, since Republicans talk a good game when it comes to "law and order," and have been eager to incarcerate a large share of Americans to try to achieve that. There are two ways we could score that: average rates or change in rates.

Using the murder rate as a proxy, the average murder rate during Republican presidencies is 7.5 (going back to 1960 and up to 2020). The average during Democratic presidencies is 6.3.

Calculating it, instead, by the change in rates, on average murder rates fell 0.05 points during Democratic presidencies, and rose 0.6 points during Republican presidencies.

So, whichever way you calculate that, Democratic presidential eras look better.

https://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_intentional_homicide_rate

The next thought that occurred to me is inflation, since Republicans are hawkish on that. Again, there are two main ways you could score that: the average inflation rate per year, or the change in the rate of inflation from the start of a presidency to the end. The former looks better for the Democrats (3.17%, average, versus 4.16% for Republicans). The latter, though, looks better for Republicans (largely on the strength of Reagan inheriting high rates and leaving fairly low ones).

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FPCPITOTLZGUSA#0

So, out of all the indicators I've thought of, Dems look better on all of them except inflation.... and that one depends on how you score it. Are there any others you can think of that look better for the Republicans?
 
I thought of another possibility for an area where Republicans might have done better: teen birth rates. Republicans at least frame themselves as a "family values" party, and opposed to things like premarital sex, so in theory they might have done better lowering the teen birth rates.

Turns out that didn't happen, though. In the average year with a Republican president, the teen birth rate fell about 0.5625 points, versus 1.71429 points during the average year with a Democratic president. So, the rate of improvement was a little over three times as fast when Democrats were in the Oval Office:

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.ADO.TFRT?end=2020&locations=US&start=1960&view=chart

Any other ideas?
 
well once Clinton ralized that his original platform was going nowhere and he flipped to doing whatever Noot said, he got ppular ands productive.
 
Well, if you throw out the last two GOP Presidents, you could make a case for Reagan, Ike, and TR, or at least arrive at an attribute or achievement that served the country.

Ike is obvious, leadership, TR, for leadership coupled with pragmatism, and Reagan, and I am not a Reagan fan, but he did have the flexibility to work with O'Neil to get things done, which seems like light years away from today's GOP. Reagan also strengthen national defense, which can be interpreted different ways, but in terms of "measurable ways the country did better" would be a positive for most Americans
 
Trump has solid GDP growth -even got up to 3%, record low unemplotment for women and minorites, household in come jumped 6500 -wages gains for lower percentile earners ( Obma did not) and no stupid wars like Libya or Iraq.


cheap gas, and a "v-shaped" recovery of millions of jobs without inflation

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Trump has solid GDP growth -even got up to 3%, record low unemplotment for women and minorites, household in come jumped 6500 -wages gains for lower percentile earners ( Obma did not) and no stupid wars like Libya or Iraq.


cheap gas, and a "v-shaped" recovery of millions of jobs without inflation

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Impeached twice. Led a violent attack on the Capitol.
 
Trump has solid GDP growth -even got up to 3%, record low unemplotment for women and minorites, household in come jumped 6500 -wages gains for lower percentile earners ( Obma did not) and no stupid wars like Libya or Iraq.


cheap gas, and a "v-shaped" recovery of millions of jobs without inflation

FTIIrF-UAAMALdE.jpg

Impeached twice. Led a violent attack on the Capitol.
 
Trump has solid GDP growth -even got up to 3%, record low unemplotment for women and minorites, household in come jumped 6500 -wages gains for lower percentile earners ( Obma did not) and no stupid wars like Libya or Iraq.


cheap gas, and a "v-shaped" recovery of millions of jobs without inflation

Trump wasn't responsible for those trends, he inherited an economy on the rise, majority of economic indicators were pointing in the upward direction before he took office, that would have happened coming out of the Great Recession regardless of who was President, Trump's only accomplishment was not screwing it up
 
Biden inflation the highest since Jimmy Carter. Both Democrats

Got to love these guys, "Mina" starts what could be an interesting thread, given it was a bit partisan, but offered room for any right leaning poster to make a case, and instead the thread turns into Trump did this, Biden did that

And, seeing the thread is blown, this inflation was going to happen no matter who was President, it is demand push coming out of Covid, it was inevitable
 
In another thread, we were discussing the way that, on average, the country has had a much better private-sector job creation rate during Democratic presidencies than Republican ones. It got me thinking: is there ANY indicator you can think of where performance hasn't been better, on average, during Democratic presidencies?

Famously, the country has MUCH higher real GDP growth rates when Democrats are president, stronger median real income growth, and better stock market performance. Also, it's well established that while there has been a small net increase in poverty rates during Republican presidencies, there's been a gigantic net decrease in those rates during Democratic presidencies. Dem eras also look better when it comes to the change in the share of Americans covered by health insurance.

But surely there must be SOME indicator that looks better for the Republicans, right?

My first thought was maybe crime, since Republicans talk a good game when it comes to "law and order," and have been eager to incarcerate a large share of Americans to try to achieve that. There are two ways we could score that: average rates or change in rates.

Using the murder rate as a proxy, the average murder rate during Republican presidencies is 7.5 (going back to 1960 and up to 2020). The average during Democratic presidencies is 6.3.

Calculating it, instead, by the change in rates, on average murder rates fell 0.05 points during Democratic presidencies, and rose 0.6 points during Republican presidencies.

So, whichever way you calculate that, Democratic presidential eras look better.

https://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_intentional_homicide_rate

The next thought that occurred to me is inflation, since Republicans are hawkish on that. Again, there are two main ways you could score that: the average inflation rate per year, or the change in the rate of inflation from the start of a presidency to the end. The former looks better for the Democrats (3.17%, average, versus 4.16% for Republicans). The latter, though, looks better for Republicans (largely on the strength of Reagan inheriting high rates and leaving fairly low ones).

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FPCPITOTLZGUSA#0

So, out of all the indicators I've thought of, Dems look better on all of them except inflation.... and that one depends on how you score it. Are there any others you can think of that look better for the Republicans?

McNamara fallacy.
 
Got to love these guys, "Mina" starts what could be an interesting thread, given it was a bit partisan, but offered room for any right leaning poster to make a case, and instead the thread turns into Trump did this, Biden did that

And, seeing the thread is blowThat creats inflation. n, this inflation was going to happen no matter who was President, it is demand push coming out of Covid, it was inevitable

The buck lands on the President's desk. If Biden couldn't handle the job he shouldn't have ran for the job. Biden printed too much money (government spending) and now we have too much money chasing too few products. That creates inflation.
 
In another thread, we were discussing the way that, on average, the country has had a much better private-sector job creation rate during Democratic presidencies than Republican ones. It got me thinking: is there ANY indicator you can think of where performance hasn't been better, on average, during Democratic presidencies?
LBJ, Carter. Clinton was a fluke but so was Trump...both adulterous Presidents who were impeached. Is there a connection? :thinking:

FWIW, Presidents can't wave a wand and fix the economy. All they can do is talk about it.

 
The buck lands on the President's desk. If Biden couldn't handle the job he shouldn't have ran for the job. Biden printed too much money (government spending) and now we have too much money chasing too few products. That creates inflation.

Same for Bush and Trump. Iraq and COVID. Both failed their duties.
 
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