Why Americans Are Leaving Downtowns in Droves

Sailor said:
While I agree I am also of the mind they #$&@%# up the cities, they need to stay there. No need for them to ruin other places.
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Where I live in rural Oklahoma, urban Texans and Californians are buying land like it’s Double Bubble. Signs are being put up pretty much saying things like “Welcome, but leave the liberal policies that drove you from your state at the door, please.”
 
Sailor said:
Why Americans Are Leaving Downtowns in Droves

https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/04/metro-areas-shrinking-population-loss/629665/

Pop quiz: What do the metros of New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, Miami, Boston, Seattle, San Francisco, San Diego, Minneapolis–St. Paul, Philadelphia, and Washington, D.C., have in common?

They are all among the 20 largest metropolitan areas in the country. All of their populations were growing in 2011. And then, in 2021, they all shrank by a combined 900,000 people, according to an analysis of census data by the Brookings scholar William Frey. That’s an urban exodus nearly the size of two Wyomings.

The great metro shrinkage is part of a larger demographic story. Last year, the U.S. growth rate fell to a record low. The major drivers of population—migration and births—declined, while deaths soared in the pandemic. But America’s largest cities are getting the worst of this national trend. In the past three years, the net number of moves out of Manhattan has increased tenfold. In every urban county within the metros of New York City, Los Angeles, and San Francisco, immigration declined by at least 50 percent from 2018 to 2021. In downtown Detroit and Long Island, deaths actually exceeded births last year.
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And of course all of those cities are run by democrats.....rats leaving a sinking ship.
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License to steal laws and high rent/taxes.
 
cawacko said:
I've only been to Tampa once, and that was for a day, so you'll have to excuse my ignorance here. I see Tampa, FL has around 400K people. Do locals call the City of Tampa the Tampa Bay Area?
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No, Tampa is the 1 city, but The Tampa Bay Area is several cities grown together including Tampa, St. Pete (also a city), and all the suburbs. The only thing that separates Tampa and St. Pete is Tampa Bay and a county line.

About 3 million people.
 
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Matt Dillon said:
No, Tampa the city, but it's really all 1 big city grown together including Tampa, St. Pete (also a city), and all the suburbs. The only thing that separates Tampa and St. Pete is Tampa Bay and a county line.

About 3 million people.
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I was speaking to specifically living in a City with over 250K people. Like basically you are assigned to public schools in that City. (I do get your point, out here people will say they live in the Bay Area which has close to 8 million people.) Many people around here will understandably say they live in SF when they travel because its easily identifiable. But when speaking to locals they won't say they live in the City.
 
cawacko said:
I was speaking to specifically living in a City with over 250K people. Like basically you are assigned to public schools in that City. (I do get your point, out here people will say they live in the Bay Area which has close to 8 million people.) Many people around here will understandably say they live in SF when they travel because its easily identifiable. But when speaking to locals they won't say they live in the City.
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There's several different sections within the city area that have their own police, fire, water+trash and all that. The houses don't stop, but the local government might change by crossing a street.

Public schools in St. Pete are run by Pinellas county schools and public schools in Tampa are run by Hillsborough county schools. That's irregardless of all the little fiefdoms.

There are no "City of St. Pete" or "City of Tampa" schools, no.
 
This is also true of the black population of large cities.

"According to the most recent census data, the Black population of D.C. fell to 41 percent in 2020."

"The Black share of the population of Oakland, Calif., the birthplace of the Black Panthers, has fallen from 44 percent in 1990 to just 20 percent in 2020, a drop of over half in just 30 years."

"In the 2020 census, the Black population of Harlem fell even further and now accounts for just 37 percent of the total."

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/22/opinion/black-population-american-cities.html
 
Sailor said:
Why Americans Are Leaving Downtowns in Droves

https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/04/metro-areas-shrinking-population-loss/629665/

Pop quiz: What do the metros of New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, Miami, Boston, Seattle, San Francisco, San Diego, Minneapolis–St. Paul, Philadelphia, and Washington, D.C., have in common?

They are all among the 20 largest metropolitan areas in the country. All of their populations were growing in 2011. And then, in 2021, they all shrank by a combined 900,000 people, according to an analysis of census data by the Brookings scholar William Frey. That’s an urban exodus nearly the size of two Wyomings.

The great metro shrinkage is part of a larger demographic story. Last year, the U.S. growth rate fell to a record low. The major drivers of population—migration and births—declined, while deaths soared in the pandemic. But America’s largest cities are getting the worst of this national trend. In the past three years, the net number of moves out of Manhattan has increased tenfold. In every urban county within the metros of New York City, Los Angeles, and San Francisco, immigration declined by at least 50 percent from 2018 to 2021. In downtown Detroit and Long Island, deaths actually exceeded births last year.
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And of course all of those cities are run by democrats.....rats leaving a sinking ship.
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Folks don't like to live in the crime, the filth, the high taxes, the high rent, and violence of the downtown areas that these places have become.
Yup. Democrats hard at work destroying everything they touch.
 
cawacko said:
That was a good read. It started with COVID, cities aren't as much fun when you are locked down in tiny apartments and condos, and now with Work From Home people are a lot more willing to live outside the City if you only have to commute to work a couple of times a week. You can throw in pissed off families who left after schools stayed closed far longer than the CDC said was necessary. And there are issues with crime.

The article was right, they are becoming far more playgrounds for the rich.
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No. They are not playgrounds for the rich. The rich are leaving too.

Seattle (since we are discussing it), is filled with homeless encampments all across the city. Tents are everywhere. With it is the drugs, the crime, and the filth.
The business district of Seattle is boarded up...largely abandoned.
Westlake Center, a major shopping district, is boarded up...largely abandoned.

It is dangerous in Seattle day or night now. There is little to no police, nothing to stop the rampant crime.

And it's spreading.

It's not about covid19. It's about the violence and the crime.
 
Walt said:
As a counter point, New York City rents have shot up by 20% as people try to get apartments in NYC. Part of that is that many of the people who have "left" are still keeping their apartments in NYC, but there has got to be a lot of people trying to move to NYC to make that much of a jump possible.

The fact remains, the metro areas are the productive parts of the USA. Telecommuting is not to the point that will change completely any time soon.
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No. Cities require continuous supplies from outside. Shut those off for even 24 hours and major panic sets in. The productive parts of the States is not the cities.
 
Flash said:
This is also true of the black population of large cities.

"According to the most recent census data, the Black population of D.C. fell to 41 percent in 2020."

"The Black share of the population of Oakland, Calif., the birthplace of the Black Panthers, has fallen from 44 percent in 1990 to just 20 percent in 2020, a drop of over half in just 30 years."

"In the 2020 census, the Black population of Harlem fell even further and now accounts for just 37 percent of the total."

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/22/opinion/black-population-american-cities.html
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The black population of Oakland was 47% when we moved there in 1981. It's an interesting discussion to listen to about black populations in urban areas and if them being smaller is necessarily a bad thing.
 
Thread is a misnomer, did NYC lose population, yes, but no where near the numbers the right wing media likes to portray, and, a good deal of those leaving NYC, or most major metro areas, left cause they could work from home and exiled to the suburbs. With a city of eight million plus, a couple of hundred thousand means little

And all the other bullshit regarding crime and such is also generalizations framed to meet the theme they are hoping to sell
 
Into the Night said:
No. Cities require continuous supplies from outside. Shut those off for even 24 hours and major panic sets in. The productive parts of the States is not the cities.
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Bullshit also, so if the major metro areas aren't consuming all this suppose supplies from the outside how are those outside areas going to survive not being able to move their product?
 
Sailor said:
Why Americans Are Leaving Downtowns in Droves

https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/04/metro-areas-shrinking-population-loss/629665/

Pop quiz: What do the metros of New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, Miami, Boston, Seattle, San Francisco, San Diego, Minneapolis–St. Paul, Philadelphia, and Washington, D.C., have in common?

They are all among the 20 largest metropolitan areas in the country. All of their populations were growing in 2011. And then, in 2021, they all shrank by a combined 900,000 people, according to an analysis of census data by the Brookings scholar William Frey. That’s an urban exodus nearly the size of two Wyomings.

The great metro shrinkage is part of a larger demographic story. Last year, the U.S. growth rate fell to a record low. The major drivers of population—migration and births—declined, while deaths soared in the pandemic. But America’s largest cities are getting the worst of this national trend. In the past three years, the net number of moves out of Manhattan has increased tenfold. In every urban county within the metros of New York City, Los Angeles, and San Francisco, immigration declined by at least 50 percent from 2018 to 2021. In downtown Detroit and Long Island, deaths actually exceeded births last year.
more at link.....

And of course all of those cities are run by democrats.....rats leaving a sinking ship.
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their not leaving liar
 
TTQ64 said:
their not leaving liar
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Some are, but for different reasons than the wingers portray, and this grand exodus to Florida because of crime and high taxes is bull shit

Keep in mind a good number of these MAGA militia here have lived most of their lives in gated villages watching Fox all day, they think any kid walking down their street wearing a hoodie is a dangerous element
 
archives said:
Thread is a misnomer, did NYC lose population, yes, but no where near the numbers the right wing media likes to portray, and, a good deal of those leaving NYC, or most major metro areas, left cause they could work from home and exiled to the suburbs. With a city of eight million plus, a couple of hundred thousand means little

And all the other bullshit regarding crime and such is also generalizations framed to meet the theme they are hoping to sell
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The Atlantic is hardly a right-wing publication. They site data from the Bookings Institute which is a powerful left leaning think tank. It's interesting that ideology is so strong that people can't accept the basic facts of these numbers. (and this is bigger than just NYC)
 
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