Jackson, Biden's Supreme Court pick, refuses to define the word 'woman'

AProudLefty said:
Correct. It is not unheard of. Once it is stopped, the body continues the natural way as if it begun at around 12.
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rarely is anything that simple with hormones

Puberty Blockers
https://www.transgendertrend.com/nhs-no-longer-puberty-blockers-reversible/
GONE is the claim that puberty blockers are considered to be fully reversible:

“The effects of treatment with GnRH analogues are considered to be fully reversible, so treatment can usually be stopped at any time after a discussion between you, your child and your MDT”.

NEW is the admission that long-term effects are unknown:

“Little is known about the long-term side effects of hormone or puberty blockers in children with gender dysphoria.

Although the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) advises this is a physically reversible treatment if stopped, it is not known what the psychological effects may be.

It’s also not known whether hormone blockers affect the development of the teenage brain or children’s bones. Side effects may also include hot flushes, fatigue and mood alterations.”

This paints a very different picture. The Tavistock GIDS is saying that the effects of blockers are physically reversible yet the NHS is now saying that this is not known.

Unknown effects on the developing adolescent brain should be reason enough to question the use of puberty blockers for this age-group; the fact that this has not been flagged before is testament to the existence of the seemingly different rules that govern transgender healthcare.
Would parents say yes to puberty blockers if they knew that trials on sheep suggest that blockers impair brain development in significant areas, which is not reversed if blockers are discontinued?
We know there is a window of development in puberty which, if missed, cannot be regained at a later stage.

We also know that nearly 100% of children on blockers progress to cross-sex hormones and we know nothing about the long-term neurological effects if a person never experiences the surge of sex hormones their body needs and expects in adolescence according to whether they are male or female.

Three new conditions have been added to the list of risks of cross-sex hormones:

Dyslipidaemia (abnormal levels of fat in the blood)

Elevated liver enzymes

Polycythaemia (high concentration of red blood cells)
 
anatta said:
rarely is anything that simple with hormones

Puberty Blockers
https://www.transgendertrend.com/nhs-no-longer-puberty-blockers-reversible/
GONE is the claim that puberty blockers are considered to be fully reversible:

“The effects of treatment with GnRH analogues are considered to be fully reversible, so treatment can usually be stopped at any time after a discussion between you, your child and your MDT”.

NEW is the admission that long-term effects are unknown:

“Little is known about the long-term side effects of hormone or puberty blockers in children with gender dysphoria.

Although the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) advises this is a physically reversible treatment if stopped, it is not known what the psychological effects may be.

It’s also not known whether hormone blockers affect the development of the teenage brain or children’s bones. Side effects may also include hot flushes, fatigue and mood alterations.”

This paints a very different picture. The Tavistock GIDS is saying that the effects of blockers are physically reversible yet the NHS is now saying that this is not known.

Unknown effects on the developing adolescent brain should be reason enough to question the use of puberty blockers for this age-group; the fact that this has not been flagged before is testament to the existence of the seemingly different rules that govern transgender healthcare. Would parents say yes to puberty blockers if they knew that trials on sheep suggest that blockers impair brain development in significant areas, which is not reversed if blockers are discontinued? We know there is a window of development in puberty which, if missed, cannot be regained at a later stage.

We also know that nearly 100% of children on blockers progress to cross-sex hormones and we know nothing about the long-term neurological effects if a person never experiences the surge of sex hormones their body needs and expects in adolescence according to whether they are male or female.
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I think what "physically reversible" means is being confusing. Need to define what that is.

It is true that once they stop taking the puberty/hormones blockers/treatments, the body will continue to develop as if it just begun puberty.
 
AProudLefty said:
I think what "physically reversible" means is being confusing. Need to define what that is.

It is true that once they stop taking the puberty/hormones blockers/treatments, the body will continue to develop as if it just begun puberty.
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it would be back to the previous state in terms of puberty but the side effects are unknown
Hormones blockers act in extensive areas of the body

Then there is the part about damage not measureable the surge of sex hormones their body needs and expects in adolescence according to whether they are male or female.
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More damning is concurrent use of cross sex hormones as well

Three new conditions have been added to the list of risks of cross-sex hormones:

Dyslipidaemia (abnormal levels of fat in the blood)
Elevated liver enzymes
Polycythaemia (high concentration of red blood cells)
 
anatta said:
it would be back to the previous state in terms of puberty but the side effects are unknown
Hormones blockers act in extensive areas of the body

Then there is the part about damage not measureable the surge of sex hormones their body needs and expects in adolescence according to whether they are male or female.
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More damning is concurrent use of cross sex hormones as well

Three new conditions have been added to the list of risks of cross-sex hormones:

Dyslipidaemia (abnormal levels of fat in the blood)
Elevated liver enzymes
Polycythaemia (high concentration of red blood cells)
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Okay let's go back to the snippet from that article.

“Little is known about the long-term side effects of hormone or puberty blockers in children with gender dysphoria.

This is about the long-term side effects of using them. Not about if it's reversible. Plenty of side effects from new drugs are unknown until further researches.

Although the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) advises this is a physically reversible treatment if stopped, it is not known what the psychological effects may be.

Here it says that it's physically reversible. Naturally it MIGHT have an psychological impact if the treatment is stopped.

It’s also not known whether hormone blockers affect the development of the teenage brain or children’s bones. Side effects may also include hot flushes, fatigue and mood alterations.”


Once again, it isn't about it being reversible, it's about treatments affecting the development of the teenage brain or bones.

Even then, it's a warning to those who consider the treatment. It's a risk like with any other drugs.
 
AProudLefty said:
You mean the psychological aspects? The side effects? I never disagreed.

The physical aspects are reversible. As to the rest, they said it's unknown.
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No, the effects on the brain and bones are physiological, but you know that so why are you ducking and diving?

It’s also not known whether hormone blockers affect the development of the teenage brain or children’s bones.
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Nordberg said:
Of course, you believe that. You must be imposing your values on her. You have no idea what the relationship was like, but Trump and his followers believe the worst about women. Don't use "everyone' , that makes your post immediately false. You do not respect women. You and trump have that in common.
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I have tons for those that act appropriately, Kamala and Hillary are destined for a fate worse than hell for their crimes against humanity
 
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