Why Trump lost the 2020 election

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They are authoritarians who fear democracy.

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You repeat this often - but the 44,000 # is not accurate, and your interpretation of "verdicts" and "constitutionality" are completely off, as has been pointed out to you on other threads.

It is 100% accurate you uninformed buffoon. Here's NPRs statement to that effect. Be less of a triggered moron. :palm:

The tight races in the trio of states had a big electoral impact. As NPR's Domenico Montanaro has put it, "just 44,000 votes in Georgia, Arizona and Wisconsin separated Biden and Trump from a tie in the Electoral College."
https://www.npr.org/2020/12/02/9406...se-key-states-powered-biden-to-the-presidency
 
I noticed that. And not a very intelligent one, either. You'd think a "billionaire" like #TRE45ON could afford better Deplorables.

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half-wit
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: a foolish or stupid person
 
Trump would have won if there was no COVID.

If he had handled COVID responsibly, he would've coasted to re-election.

But he and his supporters couldn't keep their big, fat, lying mouths shut...and that compulsion to lie about everything ended up being his ultimate undoing.

He handled Covid as well, or more, responsibly than any other leader in the world you triggered mental case. :palm:
 
Because of 1/6/ the Big Lie and the rest, we have never done a proper post-mortem on why Trump legitimately lost the 2020 election (and by a lot). To me, it was pretty simple:

1) He handled the one crisis of his admin poorly. He didn't know which side to take most of the time, and sowed confusion - he tried to encourage some measures, but couldn't resist ridiculing things like masks and distancing w/ "his" people. He even ridiculed the vaccine at times, and then realized it was the one thing he could get credit for, so tried to promote it (but too late).
2) He ran a base election, entirely. He did not play to independents, or try to win any Democrats. He liked to hype up his most ardent supporters, whose vote he already had. It was poor strategy.
3) He was too polarizing and divisive. He tried to take his "offend everyone" message - which appealed to some in the PC era - and carry it all the way through the election day. He didn't play politics - one of the things his supporters love, but it doesn't win elections, which are inherently political.

Beyond all of that, he just wasn't likable. In past elections, this was called the "who would you rather have a beer with" test.

Thoughts? Could Trump have won w/ a different, more centrist campaign?

he won.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/02/0...ccessful-conspiracy-to-rig-the-2020-election/


Corporate media has spent the last year arguing that Donald Trump’s claims about 2020 election integrity amount to “seditious” conspiracy theories. While maintaining that narrative despite the cognitive dissonance, Time magazine’s Feb. 15 cover story pulls back the curtain on a “conspiracy” among a “well-funded cabal of powerful people” in an “an extraordinary shadow effort” that successfully pushed Trump from office.

“In a way, Trump was right,” writes Time national political correspondent Molly Ball. “There was a conspiracy unfolding behind the scenes.” She later describes this “conspiracy” as something that “sounds like a paranoid fever dream — a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information.”

Trump was treated like he had three heads for complaining the election was “rigged.” In the infamous speech he gave as violence broke out in the U.S. Capitol the day Congress certified the Electoral College votes, Trump said, “This year they rigged the election. They rigged it like they’ve never rigged an election before.” The left and some Republicans like Rep. Liz Cheney have insisted Trump’s strong claims like this incited an “insurrection.”

Yet Ball makes exactly these kinds of claims in the Time article, and goes on to substantiate them. It’s really hard to tell if the article is just a gloating bat flip, a horrifying attempt to radicalize more people among Democrats’ political opposition, or evidence the left believes Americans are so deadened under Democrat control they will not react to such public revelations of conspiracies to betray American self-governance.

The article is above all a striking work of doublespeak. It intones the “Trump is crazy” mantra at Trump’s charges of election-rigging while telling how powerful people conspired to rig the 2020 election. Ball documents a massive election-manipulation “conspiracy” among the nation’s rich and powerful. She shows an amazing level of contempt combined with ignorance about how someone who believes in self-government, as opposed to rule by oligarchs, might take this information.

Election Tampering
The conspiracy’s “work touched every aspect of the election,” Ball writes. “They got states to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding. They fended off voter-suppression lawsuits, recruited armies of poll workers and got millions of people to vote by mail for the first time.”

This, she and the “dozens” of conspiracists she interviewed claim, is evidence of their efforts to “protect the election.” In fact, all of these tactics weaken election integrity.

For example, mail-in ballots are known as an unreliable voting method, even without its potential assistance to criminal fraud such as ballot-stuffing, because they create margins of error well within the margin of actual votes in a close election. That’s why labor unions, Jeff Bezos, and many foreign countries refuse to use them.

Therefore, in a mail-in election such as 2020, in which half of the total votes and most of the Biden votes were mail-in, one can control the outcome simply by controlling the poll-watchers and vote-counters. Even if they are honest, their unconscious bias or the simple mayhem of unreadable handwriting and signatures creates the conditions for untrustworthy results.

We have no way of knowing how many of the approximately 65 million 2020 election mail-in ballots were legal — meaning, how many fully complied with all applicable state laws to be validly completed by eligible voters. It could be all of them. It might not be. Nobody with power seems to care to find out. Joe Biden “won,” and the bad orange man is finally gone. That’s all that matters to them, and anyone who has any concerns or questions is simply a stupid bigot, end of story, move along, nothing to see here, shut up you white supremacist domestic terrorist or we’ll put you in jail without any bail — you’re so lucky we haven’t already.

One of the core problems with the 2020 election is that many states did not follow their voting laws, suspending them with the excuse of COVID (which the Centers for Disease Control said the day before the election, after most votes were already cast, was not necessary). States were pressured or forced to do so, not by what Ball hilariously calls Trump’s “henchmen,” but by lawyered-up leftist pressure groups that strategically undermined election protections with pre-emptive lawsuits while courts rolled over for them.

These leftist lawyers were unquestionably the aggressors in this situation, as Hans van Spakovsky and others have documented, filing as many as four times the number of lawsuits Trump or Republicans filed. Their efforts caused the very “election confusion” Ball claims her vaunted “conspiracy” was trying to avoid. What do you call people who do one thing while claiming to do the opposite? Idiots or liars. And I don’t think these people are idiots.

Control the Information, Control the People
This “conspiracy” also rigged the election by pre-emptively controlling the information voters were able to receive about the candidates. They did this by colluding with big tech companies to hide information that made Joe Biden look bad. Post-election research found that just the conspiracy’s successful information control on Hunter Biden’s alleged corruption and its potential links to his father would have been enough to tip the election.

“They successfully pressured social media companies to take a harder line against disinformation and used data-driven strategies to fight viral smears … They executed national public-awareness campaigns that helped Americans understand how the vote count would unfold over days or weeks, preventing Trump’s conspiracy theories and false claims of victory from getting more traction. After Election Day, they monitored every pressure point to ensure that Trump could not overturn the result,” Ball writes.

The article shows how these activists pushed a narrative that election results would not be known on election night as part of their campaign to box out Trump. It then openly admits to a subsequent orchestrated attempt to anoint Biden the winner before all the votes had been tallied. This is how leftists made their “fever dream” a reality.

This coalition had private polling that mirrored the Trump campaign’s internal polling, which differed from the public polling released throughout 2020 that consistently appeared to show Trump far behind. A top “conspiracy” leader “was warning everyone he knew that polls were underestimating Trump’s support,” Ball writes.

To counteract this, he sent data to corporate media networks that got them to telegraph that the election results would take time to massage — oops, be counted. The delay made way for a late “surge” of “mail-in ballots” that were just what Biden needed in every place he needed them.

“Election night began with many Democrats despairing. Trump was running ahead of pre-election polling, winning Florida, Ohio and Texas easily and keeping Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania too close to call,” Ball noted. But the “conspiracy” leader watched the results unperturbed, she says: “he could tell that as long as all the votes were counted, Trump would lose.” Amazing projection skills, right? Especially considering his “cabal” in reality pushed to declare Biden the winner before “all the votes were counted.”
 
Why Trump lost the election: Impeached twice. Committed 10 acts of obstruction of justice. Openly corrupt.

Trump is easily the worst President in the history of the United States.

And yet, he has never been charged with any crimes, he has never been prosecuted for any crimes and was exonerated in the Senate for the fake impeachment clown show.

Every day you illustrated what a lying, mentally ill jackass you are.
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Trump obviously lost because Deep State and Venezuelan intelligence services cheated and Krakened Trump out of votes, and BLM intimidated judges to dismiss Dump's post election court challenges.

Absurdity; the last desperate refuge for the ignorant, the dishonest and the stupid. :palm:

half-wit
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: a foolish or stupid person
 
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Yes you are guAno, and so much more. You're also a repugnant, lying, low IQ, worthless piece of human filth. ;)

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he won.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/02/0...ccessful-conspiracy-to-rig-the-2020-election/


Corporate media has spent the last year arguing that Donald Trump’s claims about 2020 election integrity amount to “seditious” conspiracy theories. While maintaining that narrative despite the cognitive dissonance, Time magazine’s Feb. 15 cover story pulls back the curtain on a “conspiracy” among a “well-funded cabal of powerful people” in an “an extraordinary shadow effort” that successfully pushed Trump from office.

“In a way, Trump was right,” writes Time national political correspondent Molly Ball. “There was a conspiracy unfolding behind the scenes.” She later describes this “conspiracy” as something that “sounds like a paranoid fever dream — a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information.”

Trump was treated like he had three heads for complaining the election was “rigged.” In the infamous speech he gave as violence broke out in the U.S. Capitol the day Congress certified the Electoral College votes, Trump said, “This year they rigged the election. They rigged it like they’ve never rigged an election before.” The left and some Republicans like Rep. Liz Cheney have insisted Trump’s strong claims like this incited an “insurrection.”

Yet Ball makes exactly these kinds of claims in the Time article, and goes on to substantiate them. It’s really hard to tell if the article is just a gloating bat flip, a horrifying attempt to radicalize more people among Democrats’ political opposition, or evidence the left believes Americans are so deadened under Democrat control they will not react to such public revelations of conspiracies to betray American self-governance.

The article is above all a striking work of doublespeak. It intones the “Trump is crazy” mantra at Trump’s charges of election-rigging while telling how powerful people conspired to rig the 2020 election. Ball documents a massive election-manipulation “conspiracy” among the nation’s rich and powerful. She shows an amazing level of contempt combined with ignorance about how someone who believes in self-government, as opposed to rule by oligarchs, might take this information.

Election Tampering
The conspiracy’s “work touched every aspect of the election,” Ball writes. “They got states to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding. They fended off voter-suppression lawsuits, recruited armies of poll workers and got millions of people to vote by mail for the first time.”

This, she and the “dozens” of conspiracists she interviewed claim, is evidence of their efforts to “protect the election.” In fact, all of these tactics weaken election integrity.

For example, mail-in ballots are known as an unreliable voting method, even without its potential assistance to criminal fraud such as ballot-stuffing, because they create margins of error well within the margin of actual votes in a close election. That’s why labor unions, Jeff Bezos, and many foreign countries refuse to use them.

Therefore, in a mail-in election such as 2020, in which half of the total votes and most of the Biden votes were mail-in, one can control the outcome simply by controlling the poll-watchers and vote-counters. Even if they are honest, their unconscious bias or the simple mayhem of unreadable handwriting and signatures creates the conditions for untrustworthy results.

We have no way of knowing how many of the approximately 65 million 2020 election mail-in ballots were legal — meaning, how many fully complied with all applicable state laws to be validly completed by eligible voters. It could be all of them. It might not be. Nobody with power seems to care to find out. Joe Biden “won,” and the bad orange man is finally gone. That’s all that matters to them, and anyone who has any concerns or questions is simply a stupid bigot, end of story, move along, nothing to see here, shut up you white supremacist domestic terrorist or we’ll put you in jail without any bail — you’re so lucky we haven’t already.

One of the core problems with the 2020 election is that many states did not follow their voting laws, suspending them with the excuse of COVID (which the Centers for Disease Control said the day before the election, after most votes were already cast, was not necessary). States were pressured or forced to do so, not by what Ball hilariously calls Trump’s “henchmen,” but by lawyered-up leftist pressure groups that strategically undermined election protections with pre-emptive lawsuits while courts rolled over for them.

These leftist lawyers were unquestionably the aggressors in this situation, as Hans van Spakovsky and others have documented, filing as many as four times the number of lawsuits Trump or Republicans filed. Their efforts caused the very “election confusion” Ball claims her vaunted “conspiracy” was trying to avoid. What do you call people who do one thing while claiming to do the opposite? Idiots or liars. And I don’t think these people are idiots.

Control the Information, Control the People
This “conspiracy” also rigged the election by pre-emptively controlling the information voters were able to receive about the candidates. They did this by colluding with big tech companies to hide information that made Joe Biden look bad. Post-election research found that just the conspiracy’s successful information control on Hunter Biden’s alleged corruption and its potential links to his father would have been enough to tip the election.

“They successfully pressured social media companies to take a harder line against disinformation and used data-driven strategies to fight viral smears … They executed national public-awareness campaigns that helped Americans understand how the vote count would unfold over days or weeks, preventing Trump’s conspiracy theories and false claims of victory from getting more traction. After Election Day, they monitored every pressure point to ensure that Trump could not overturn the result,” Ball writes.

The article shows how these activists pushed a narrative that election results would not be known on election night as part of their campaign to box out Trump. It then openly admits to a subsequent orchestrated attempt to anoint Biden the winner before all the votes had been tallied. This is how leftists made their “fever dream” a reality.

This coalition had private polling that mirrored the Trump campaign’s internal polling, which differed from the public polling released throughout 2020 that consistently appeared to show Trump far behind. A top “conspiracy” leader “was warning everyone he knew that polls were underestimating Trump’s support,” Ball writes.

To counteract this, he sent data to corporate media networks that got them to telegraph that the election results would take time to massage — oops, be counted. The delay made way for a late “surge” of “mail-in ballots” that were just what Biden needed in every place he needed them.

“Election night began with many Democrats despairing. Trump was running ahead of pre-election polling, winning Florida, Ohio and Texas easily and keeping Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania too close to call,” Ball noted. But the “conspiracy” leader watched the results unperturbed, she says: “he could tell that as long as all the votes were counted, Trump would lose.” Amazing projection skills, right? Especially considering his “cabal” in reality pushed to declare Biden the winner before “all the votes were counted.”

:thumbsup:
 
Is that why the globalists organized George Floyd riots around the globe?

Those were funded and highly organized. Definitely not organic.

It really doesn’t matter what happened outside the U.S.

There was an extended period of Civil Unrest that Trump exacerbated when he could have easily did what George H.W. Bush did during the Rodeny King riots. Bush sent experienced negotiators into LA and honestly negotiated with community leaders what could be done to reform policing in LA. The Violence stopped, the National Guard was called of and the Civil Unrest did not spread.

Trump on the other hand threw fuel on the fire to appease his base and the Civil Unrest not only spread but was sustained.

Come election time that hit him in the ass. He failed in governing that situation and the public remembered it.
 
Yes you are guAno, and so much more. You're also a repugnant, lying, low IQ, worthless piece of human filth. ;)

guAno
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Poor triggered honkey of the porch
 
Early on in 2020 when the pandemic first reared its ugly head, #TRE45ON knew that on some level it was going to make him look bad. That's why he downplayed it. He even stated that he didn't want to cause panic, by which he meant, of course, the stock market fall that happened almost immediately. He knew that the *only* thing on the plus side of his ledger was the economy. Many ppl think that the markets = the economy, and blame the guy at the top when they sink. So he basically fucked himself by refusing to address the pandemic in any meaningful way until it was far too late. Then attacking the governors who asked for PPE, vents, and other help -- and mocking mitigation measures and refusing to set an example by masking up -- he set the match to his own bonfire.

Trump screwed the pooch on COVID when it first started by delegating it to Pence. That was bad for two reasons. #1. He should have never delegated it and #2. He couldn’t have made a worse choice then to delegate it to an anti-science ideologue in Pence.

Though they why doesn’t really matter. What mattered is he botched it.
 
It really doesn’t matter what happened outside the U.S.

There was an extended period of Civil Unrest that Trump exacerbated when he could have easily did what George H.W. Bush did during the Rodeny King riots. Bush sent experienced negotiators into LA and honestly negotiated with community leaders what could be done to reform policing in LA. The Violence stopped, the National Guard was called of and the Civil Unrest did not spread.

Trump on the other hand threw fuel on the fire to appease his base and the Civil Unrest not only spread but was sustained.

Come election time that hit him in the ass. He failed in governing that situation and the public remembered it.

Bitch, they organized riots in all kinds of US cities and around the globe. Not just L.A. :palm:

Your argument fails flatly on that argument alone. I forget how many places they organized to riot at the exact same time. Well over 10 in the US.

That wasn't organic rioting like in Liberty City or Watts or L.A. , that was funded, planned, and organized rioting.
 
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he won.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/02/0...ccessful-conspiracy-to-rig-the-2020-election/


Corporate media has spent the last year arguing that Donald Trump’s claims about 2020 election integrity amount to “seditious” conspiracy theories. While maintaining that narrative despite the cognitive dissonance, Time magazine’s Feb. 15 cover story pulls back the curtain on a “conspiracy” among a “well-funded cabal of powerful people” in an “an extraordinary shadow effort” that successfully pushed Trump from office.

“In a way, Trump was right,” writes Time national political correspondent Molly Ball. “There was a conspiracy unfolding behind the scenes.” She later describes this “conspiracy” as something that “sounds like a paranoid fever dream — a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information.”

Trump was treated like he had three heads for complaining the election was “rigged.” In the infamous speech he gave as violence broke out in the U.S. Capitol the day Congress certified the Electoral College votes, Trump said, “This year they rigged the election. They rigged it like they’ve never rigged an election before.” The left and some Republicans like Rep. Liz Cheney have insisted Trump’s strong claims like this incited an “insurrection.”

Yet Ball makes exactly these kinds of claims in the Time article, and goes on to substantiate them. It’s really hard to tell if the article is just a gloating bat flip, a horrifying attempt to radicalize more people among Democrats’ political opposition, or evidence the left believes Americans are so deadened under Democrat control they will not react to such public revelations of conspiracies to betray American self-governance.

The article is above all a striking work of doublespeak. It intones the “Trump is crazy” mantra at Trump’s charges of election-rigging while telling how powerful people conspired to rig the 2020 election. Ball documents a massive election-manipulation “conspiracy” among the nation’s rich and powerful. She shows an amazing level of contempt combined with ignorance about how someone who believes in self-government, as opposed to rule by oligarchs, might take this information.

Election Tampering
The conspiracy’s “work touched every aspect of the election,” Ball writes. “They got states to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding. They fended off voter-suppression lawsuits, recruited armies of poll workers and got millions of people to vote by mail for the first time.”

This, she and the “dozens” of conspiracists she interviewed claim, is evidence of their efforts to “protect the election.” In fact, all of these tactics weaken election integrity.

For example, mail-in ballots are known as an unreliable voting method, even without its potential assistance to criminal fraud such as ballot-stuffing, because they create margins of error well within the margin of actual votes in a close election. That’s why labor unions, Jeff Bezos, and many foreign countries refuse to use them.

Therefore, in a mail-in election such as 2020, in which half of the total votes and most of the Biden votes were mail-in, one can control the outcome simply by controlling the poll-watchers and vote-counters. Even if they are honest, their unconscious bias or the simple mayhem of unreadable handwriting and signatures creates the conditions for untrustworthy results.

We have no way of knowing how many of the approximately 65 million 2020 election mail-in ballots were legal — meaning, how many fully complied with all applicable state laws to be validly completed by eligible voters. It could be all of them. It might not be. Nobody with power seems to care to find out. Joe Biden “won,” and the bad orange man is finally gone. That’s all that matters to them, and anyone who has any concerns or questions is simply a stupid bigot, end of story, move along, nothing to see here, shut up you white supremacist domestic terrorist or we’ll put you in jail without any bail — you’re so lucky we haven’t already.

One of the core problems with the 2020 election is that many states did not follow their voting laws, suspending them with the excuse of COVID (which the Centers for Disease Control said the day before the election, after most votes were already cast, was not necessary). States were pressured or forced to do so, not by what Ball hilariously calls Trump’s “henchmen,” but by lawyered-up leftist pressure groups that strategically undermined election protections with pre-emptive lawsuits while courts rolled over for them.

These leftist lawyers were unquestionably the aggressors in this situation, as Hans van Spakovsky and others have documented, filing as many as four times the number of lawsuits Trump or Republicans filed. Their efforts caused the very “election confusion” Ball claims her vaunted “conspiracy” was trying to avoid. What do you call people who do one thing while claiming to do the opposite? Idiots or liars. And I don’t think these people are idiots.

Control the Information, Control the People
This “conspiracy” also rigged the election by pre-emptively controlling the information voters were able to receive about the candidates. They did this by colluding with big tech companies to hide information that made Joe Biden look bad. Post-election research found that just the conspiracy’s successful information control on Hunter Biden’s alleged corruption and its potential links to his father would have been enough to tip the election.

“They successfully pressured social media companies to take a harder line against disinformation and used data-driven strategies to fight viral smears … They executed national public-awareness campaigns that helped Americans understand how the vote count would unfold over days or weeks, preventing Trump’s conspiracy theories and false claims of victory from getting more traction. After Election Day, they monitored every pressure point to ensure that Trump could not overturn the result,” Ball writes.

The article shows how these activists pushed a narrative that election results would not be known on election night as part of their campaign to box out Trump. It then openly admits to a subsequent orchestrated attempt to anoint Biden the winner before all the votes had been tallied. This is how leftists made their “fever dream” a reality.

This coalition had private polling that mirrored the Trump campaign’s internal polling, which differed from the public polling released throughout 2020 that consistently appeared to show Trump far behind. A top “conspiracy” leader “was warning everyone he knew that polls were underestimating Trump’s support,” Ball writes.

To counteract this, he sent data to corporate media networks that got them to telegraph that the election results would take time to massage — oops, be counted. The delay made way for a late “surge” of “mail-in ballots” that were just what Biden needed in every place he needed them.

“Election night began with many Democrats despairing. Trump was running ahead of pre-election polling, winning Florida, Ohio and Texas easily and keeping Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania too close to call,” Ball noted. But the “conspiracy” leader watched the results unperturbed, she says: “he could tell that as long as all the votes were counted, Trump would lose.” Amazing projection skills, right? Especially considering his “cabal” in reality pushed to declare Biden the winner before “all the votes were counted.”

Biden got more votes - both popular, and electoral.

The above has been posted before. It's just "poor Trump - he got bad media coverage." It doesn't amount to even the loosest definition of fraud.
 
Agree w/ this.

Conservatives love to point to Trump's economy pre-COVID - but how you respond to a crisis is one of the top criteria we have for a chief executive. And he failed.

Lots of people can be effective Presidents when things are going smooth & there are no challenges. Trump failed at the only crisis situations that he faced.
True but it takes more than just one metric to turn against a sitting President for things to against their being re-elected.
 
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