Is the West Becoming Pagan Again?

'Religion' teaches Intolerance. The OPPOSITE to compassion.

Disagreed. Religion, like a gun or a shovel, is a tool. The wielder of the tool is responsible for its use. You've seen JPP members claim to be Christian but clearly are not; PmP and Matt Dillon/Wolverine are two examples. Most RWers on JPP are Christian in name only. Rarely do they act Christian.

Likewise, Euros have done some horrible things while claiming to be Christian, but they were clearly not acting like Christians. Why can't you see the difference?
 
It doesn't pass the laugh test to claim nothing about society, culture, and ethics really changed between the Greco-Roman world and European Christianity. It is factually inaccurate to claim that is was all basically a continuation of the same thing.

On the downside, Christianity did continue a traditional of patriarchy, as did all societies on the planet.

Christianity did condone violence against perceived heritics and rival religions.

Christianit leaders often found themselves in league with perpetuating the power of the aristocracy.

For a 300 year period, some Christian leaders turned a blind eye to African slavery.

You also cannot overlook the long and toxic history of anti-semitism in Christian history.



On the positive side, Christianity did make certain ethical norms a theologically binding expectation: charity, compassion, humility, the golden rule, universal love. Not to say it was always or consistently practiced, but it was considered a formal religious expectation. The pagan religions of Greek and Rome had no system of ethics. They were strictly sacrificial religions intended to curry favor with the gods. To the extent anyone practiced compassion, it was an individual choice, but it was not a cultural or religious expectation.

The cultural values of the Greeks and Romans were personal courage, valor on the battlefield, personal honor, and personal reputation, and might makes right. This is clearly illustrated in the Illiad, the Odyssey, and the Melian debate.

As to slavery, not a single person in the pre-christian Greco-Roman world ever wrote anything against slavery. Nor did anyone even write anything expressing discomfort with slavery.

Christianity was the first intellectual tradition in the west to start to distance itself from slavery. Saint Augustine, while recognizing slavery was a reality in this world, still wrote that slavery was a sin and a result of the corruption of man's soul. That was a pretty radical thing to say for it's day.

Slavery had disappeared in Christian Europe by the early Middle Ages, to be replaced by serfdom. Which was terrible in itself, but serfdom was not as bad as chattal slavery. Your average chattel slave would trade places with an average serf in a nanosecond.

A lot of Christian leaders did look the other way for three centuries in the early modern era, when European mercantilists and capitalists kicked off the Africa slave trade.

And I would count that, anti-semitism, and patriarchy as Christianity's most significant moral failures

Its laughable that you think any of that is for the work of your faggot god and not for the work of the deists that stood against you. But there you are, trying once again to claim all that which was never yours. You're truly the lowest of all slime.
 
No, it's the crack you were smoking that made you imagine I said any of that. The first amendment, freedom of expression, and trial by jury come from Madison, Jefferson, John Stuart Mill, the liberal Enlightenment, at least most directly.

Our day to day social and cultural norms are not exactly the same thing as political rights.

See Dutch Uncle's post.

I am sure Wikipedia has an entry on Christianity's influence on western civilization if this is a topic you want to learn about this late in life.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role_of_Christianity_in_civilization

Every history class I have ever taken in western civilization or European history has noted the vast cultural influence Christianity has had on the west. For better or for worse.

--->"Every history class I have ever taken in western civilization or European history has noted the vast cultural influence Christianity has had on the west. For better or for worse."

Yes. I can agree with THIS Statement.

Your original Statement: "Our day to day social norms ethics, and cultural values comes in substantial extent either directly or indirectly from the West's two thousand year engagement with Judeo-Christianty".
is Bullshit.

In your brain, you think Santa Claus is 'Judeo-Christian'. In your brain, you think Gays getting married is 'Judeo-Christian'. In you brain, you think Free Speech is 'Judeo-Christian' ... even though, this is why Jesus got snuffed out by the Religious Guys.
 
Disagreed. Religion, like a gun or a shovel, is a tool. The wielder of the tool is responsible for its use. You've seen JPP members claim to be Christian but clearly are not; PmP and Matt Dillon/Wolverine are two examples. Most RWers on JPP are Christian in name only. Rarely do they act Christian.

Likewise, Euros have done some horrible things while claiming to be Christian, but they were clearly not acting like Christians. Why can't you see the difference?


Religion isn't a tool like a gun or a shovel. A dildo would be a far better analogy. Maybe a vibrator at very best.

JPP right wingers are to me the perfect example of American Christians.
The people who most show an appreciation for New Testament values are in my experience mostly atheists or agnostics.
CERTAINLY not politically conservative or even centrist Christians.
 
Disagreed. Religion, like a gun or a shovel, is a tool. The wielder of the tool is responsible for its use. You've seen JPP members claim to be Christian but clearly are not; PmP and Matt Dillon/Wolverine are two examples. Most RWers on JPP are Christian in name only. Rarely do they act Christian.

Likewise, Euros have done some horrible things while claiming to be Christian, but they were clearly not acting like Christians. Why can't you see the difference?

This guy never bought a mirror. Remember, youre just crazy if you should bother to check the original meaning of "jesus" in the original spoken roman latin.

Fagot-fbi-pig-monkey, cant even be bothered to check it even after he's been provoked to do it for himself, even now.

What do they really believe do you suspect?
 
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There is not a single, legitimate college history survey course on western or European civilization which will fail to note the vast influence Christianity has had on the development of the social, ethical, cultural norms of western civilization.

It is just factually accurate to state that.

Just like it is factually accurate to state our mathematics were profoundly influenced by Euclid and Archimedes.

Yes. I can agree to THIS Statement. The History of Religious Intolerance is why we have the freedom we have today, why The Church is separated from The State.
 
Christians brought what she calls a “normative inversion” to pagan Rome. That is, they prized much that the Romans held in contempt and condemned much that the Romans prized, particularly in matters related to sex and family. Today the Christian overlay on Western cultural life is being removed, revealing a lot of pagan urges that it covered up.

To state Ms. Delsol’s argument crudely, what is happening today is an undoing, but it is also a redoing. We are inverting the normative inversion. We are repaganizing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/29/opinion/christianity-paganism-woke.html
When you spend centuries denouncing certain activities as 'sinful' in order to keep your flock in line, being exposed as a culture of pedophilia and coverups doesn't really encourage new membership.
 
Disagreed. Religion, like a gun or a shovel, is a tool. The wielder of the tool is responsible for its use. You've seen JPP members claim to be Christian but clearly are not; PmP and Matt Dillon/Wolverine are two examples. Most RWers on JPP are Christian in name only. Rarely do they act Christian.

Likewise, Euros have done some horrible things while claiming to be Christian, but they were clearly not acting like Christians. Why can't you see the difference?

Uh, yeah. You sound like the Muslims that claim ISIS and Al Qaeda aren't really Muslim.
 
Nonsense christianity had nothing to do with any of that. Note it's biggest metaphor for going against the flow or thinking you're special.

It simply changed it from individuals doing all of that to whole groups of individuals doing all of that and more.

Nailed to a tree after being tortured with your mom waiting for you to die so she can catch your post mortem ejaculation in a little wooden bowl because you were celibate your whole life and you just left her to die a horrible meaningless death alone. You'll end up renamed after the faggot god of the faggot people that killed you. And, people will ceremoniously eat you and drink your blood for another few thousand years till they're all lead of a cliff of overpopulation by every intention.

Note, this fagot himself thinks it's just crazy to check the meaning of Jesus in the original spoken roman latin.

A bigger whore, you cannot find.

Death to you and your whole kind. I dont give the first fk which way you get it.
Disagreed, but thanks for more evidence you are a sock for a banned member.

Blackcat = ]2epo]v[an

In all honesty, all Christians are gay. They're all praying to the faggot god of the faggot people that killed their spiritual leader and renamed him "marry zeus" (ji-zeus)
So then why haven't grease balls used the opportunity to cash in on the winnings they could earn on it? They cash in on dope through the various junky faggot cults. Why would they skip shaking down a booky?

And on the topic of what kind of sht the Bible doesn't mention.. Why doesn't it mention Jesus sounds just like "marry zeus" in the original roman tongue(the faggot god of the faggot people that killed the guy you're talking about.....

...Besides that, why would you suppose jesus would sound just like ji-zeus(marry zeus) in the language of the people that supposedly killed the guy?

So the only son of the: all powerful, vengeful, jealous, one god, was just accidentally named after what sounds exactly like "marry zeus?" The faggot god of those faggot people that eventually kill him?


Single question conjugated with two question marks.

Looks like a pretty damn big plot hole if you ask me.

So the question is, when was Christianity, NOT PAGAN?

Yeah, you got set up. You're praying to the faggot god of the faggot people that killed him. The name Jesus means marry zeus in Roman latin. Ji-zeus. Ji(marry/spouse) zeus(the dead faggot god of the butt pampers of rome)

Pray for the hell you belong to now. Jelous vengeful gods don't like sht like that.

You're gay for ji-zeus.
Why would such a God just accidently name their only son something that sounds just like marry zeus to the people that kill him

Hmm? Pretty big fuckin plot hole huh.
 
Uh, yeah. You sound like the Muslims that claim ISIS and Al Qaeda aren't really Muslim.

They are radical Muslims just like Evangelicals and Prosperity Christians are radical Christians. Why do you insist on lumping all Christians into the same pile?

By your logic, all Trump supporters are also lying, cheating pedophiles. Intelligent, sane and mature people know that isn't true. Some Trump supporters are just harmless stupid people.
 
This guy never bought a mirror. Remember, youre just crazy if you should bother to check the original meaning of "jesus" in the original spoken roman latin.

Fagot-fbi-pig-monkey, cant even be bothered to check it even after he's been provoked to do it for himself, even now.

What do they really believe do you suspect?

]2epo]v[an, you're a liar. I don't trust liars.
 
Disagreed, but thanks for more evidence you are a sock for a banned member.

Blackcat = ]2epo]v[an

Oh look, deflection.

And what was i banned for perhaps? Pointing out that while you incessantly scream "pedo pedo pedo" you completely overlook your own culpability for KNOWINGLY re-electing the head ring leader of a fucking afghan pederast heroin cartel with a world wide heroin death toll comparable to the whole of both the afghan and iraq wars combined and completely dwarfing the scariest world wide pandemic's death toll in modern human history, but why split hairs...........

Well that and for claiming only a "nablanese-nazi" could be such a slime fking puke.

Truly, your soul is long since blacked out, voided, and revoked.
 
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They are radical Muslims just like Evangelicals and Prosperity Christians are radical Christians. Why do you insist on lumping all Christians into the same pile?

By your logic, all Trump supporters are also lying, cheating pedophiles. Intelligent, sane and mature people know that isn't true. Some Trump supporters are just harmless stupid people.



Christians: "Turn the other cheek ... forgive your Trespassers".
Americans: "Find the 9/11 Mastermind, ... go to the opposite side of the Planet, ... and double-tap the motherfucker".

Go back to Bethlehem Dutch, take Cypress with you.
 
Aren't you people looking at the present and into the future? Do you want reparations now too?

If you don't learn from the Past, you may tend to repeat it.

RB. Other than Owl, are there any Witches you would like to hang?
 
When you spend centuries denouncing certain activities as 'sinful' in order to keep your flock in line, being exposed as a culture of pedophilia and coverups doesn't really encourage new membership.

Religions which exalt men over women, as the RC church has done its entire history, are not attractive to modern 21st Century faithful. The more fundie evangelicals are discovering the same thing.
 
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