Science Is in the Details

ib1yysguy said:
I don't think his point is that God is doing the solar winds. He's saying that they're violating the laws of physics, therefore science cant be trusted. They're clearly not violating the laws of physics. If it accelerated past the speed of light, solar winds would violate the laws of physics. All that's happening is there's some mechanism within the sun that we can't see which is acting upon the solar winds in a way that is WELL WITHIN OUR UNDERSTANDING OF PHYSICS, but not within our UNDERSTANDING OF THE SUN.

Dixie is stupid as fuck. You said it. So is Damo. He LOVES to cheer lead for Dixie whenever Dixie is able to post some nonsense from wikipedia and misrepresent what it says.
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Anything unexplained must be the work of god.
 
Dixie said:
I didn't say anything "violated the laws of physics" you retarded LIAR! I said it appears to defy the principles of physics as we know them, and it does. You can't explain the acceleration of the solar wind with physics, which proves I am correct. I have not mentioned one word about God being responsible or not trusting science, those are points you incorrectly assumed from my factual statement.

You want to say that the mechanism is well within our understanding of physics, but it is not. Sorry, you haven't proven it. What you are saying is, we can't understand it, but yet we understand it! How retarded is that? I have misrepresented nothing here, you have! You keep insisting something is understood that isn't understood and remains unexplained. Damn if that doesn't sound an awful lot like faith in God to me!

Speaking of "the speed of light" can you explain why light can't escape black holes? I suppose this is another phenomenon we can't explain and don't understand, but yet we really do? LMFAO!!
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What does any of this have to do with god?

I've never heard the argument that science has solved every mystery .. but it doesn a much better job of discovering the truth than do fables, fairy-tales, and myths.

That which is unexplained has ZERO to do with god .. unless you're here visiting from 1492.
 
Their entire argument is "you can't prove god doesn't exist, therefore he must exist."
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That's not MY argument at all. I would say, you can't prove God doesn't exist, so you can't say factually that God doesn't exist. Just like with the solar winds, you can't prove with physics what causes the acceleration, so you can't claim to know. Of course, you can have devout faith in something, you can believe in something without physical proof, humans do this all the time, and have done so since the beginning. Some people call it religion, some call it spirituality, others call it science, but we all tend to have faith in something we can't always explain.
 
blackascoal said:
What does any of this have to do with god?

I've never heard the argument that science has solved every mystery .. but it doesn a much better job of discovering the truth than do fables, fairy-tales, and myths.

That which is unexplained has ZERO to do with god .. unless you're here visiting from 1492.
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I've not made an argument for God. IS that what you want me to argue for? Well, sorry, but I can't prove to you that God exists, if I could, I certainly would. I can say that I see evidence all around me that God exists. The universe itself, life, the marvels and wonders known to us, is proof to me that God exists. Even the fascinating concepts of evolution and macroevolution, the planetary environment, the solar winds, gravity, biology, art and music, all evidence to me there is a God. But that is a personal belief, not something I can support with facts and physical evidence, and I've not attempted to do so.

You, on the other hand, want to discount possibility by calling it "fairy tales" and "myths" but we have demonstrated already, fairy tales and myths don't garner over 3 billion mature adult believers, including profound scientists like Dr. Collins, the man who mapped the human genome. That's fine, you can believe whatever you want to believe, the point is, you can't support your beliefs any more than I can support mine.
 
Dixie said:
I've not made an argument for God. IS that what you want me to argue for? Well, sorry, but I can't prove to you that God exists, if I could, I certainly would. I can say that I see evidence all around me that God exists. The universe itself, life, the marvels and wonders known to us, is proof to me that God exists. Even the fascinating concepts of evolution and macroevolution, the planetary environment, the solar winds, gravity, biology, art and music, all evidence to me there is a God. But that is a personal belief, not something I can support with facts and physical evidence, and I've not attempted to do so.

You, on the other hand, want to discount possibility by calling it "fairy tales" and "myths" but we have demonstrated already, fairy tales and myths don't garner over 3 billion mature adult believers, including profound scientists like Dr. Collins, the man who mapped the human genome. That's fine, you can believe whatever you want to believe, the point is, you can't support your beliefs any more than I can support mine.
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BULLSHIT

Fairy-tales and myths have always had large followings of really dumb ass people.

Riddle me this sir .. why does christianity so closely parallel mithra and other pagan sources?

Mithraism had legions of followers a THOUSAND YEARS before Jesus was born ..



1.Mithra was sent by the Father God down to Earth to confirm his contract with Man.

2.Mithra was born of a Virgin through - Immaculate Conception - He was born of Anahita, an immaculate virgin mother.

3.Mithra was born in a stable - We celebrate his birth on December 25th -.

4.Mithra was visited by wise men bearing gifts.

5.Mithra had 12 disciples - He was called the Messiah -.

6.Mithra was also the god of Darius, conqueror of Babylon, He was called - - Messiah - - or Christos by Jews during their Captivity.

7.Mithra made a (Contract) or (Covenant) with Man confirming an older contract with God - The Persian word Mithra literally means - - Contract. - -

8.Mithra celebrated a last supper with his disciples before his death.

9.Mithra died to atone for the sins of Man.

10.Mithra was resurrected on a Sunday.

11.Mithra ascended into Heaven to rejoin his Father.

12.Mithra will return to pass judgment on Man - He was known as the judger of souls -.

13.On judgment day, the dead will arise and be judged by Mithra.

14.Mithra will send sinners to HELL.

15.Mithra will send the faithful to HEAVEN.

16.On judgment day there will be a final conflict between Good and Evil - The forces of Evil will be destroyed and the saved will live in paradise forever -.

17.Mithra is part of a Holy Trinity the - (Father, Son, And Holy Spirit) -, that took human form.

18.Mithra is depicted as having a halo, (a circular band of light around his head).

19.Mithra followers drink wine and eat bread, which represent his blood and flesh.

20.Mithra followers are baptized.

21.Saturday and Sunday, the two (2) days of the week to rest and celebrate.

Coincidence?
 
They can explain the acceleration of the solar winds with physics, you retard. It's not physics that they can't get to fit, it's the fucking sub-corona action of the sun they don't understand. When they find the mechanism that does it, how much are you willing to put on the line that they'll be able to calculate it perfectly with existing physics? It's not PHYSICS that it's violating. It's not violating anything. It's just challenging our knowledge of how the sun works.
 
Dixie said:
Let me ask you a scientific question... Can you scientifically explain the origin and source of the solar winds? Space is a vacuum, there is no air pressure. Here on Earth, we can determine what causes wind, but how does it occur in the vacuum of space, what causes it, where does it come from? Do you know for certain? Does science have an explanation for this? Clearly it does exist, we've recorded it. So tell me, where does it come from, what causes it, what is the source of origin?
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This needs to be quoted again for posterity. This remains one of the most retarded things Dixie has ever said.
 
ib1yysguy said:
They can explain the acceleration of the solar winds with physics, you retard. It's not physics that they can't get to fit, it's the fucking sub-corona action of the sun they don't understand. When they find the mechanism that does it, how much are you willing to put on the line that they'll be able to calculate it perfectly with existing physics? It's not PHYSICS that it's violating. It's not violating anything. It's just challenging our knowledge of how the sun works.
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Way over their head.

You're just being mean now slapping that ignorance with truth.

Don't you know they aren't supposed to be questioned?
 
Dixie said:
Hmmm... Who's the fool? The one who maintains we don't know everything and science can be fallible ....or.... the one who maintains science knows all and God can't possibly exist?
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Since noone on this board has ever made the latter argument, I think we can safely assume you're going to hell for being a liar.
 
Dixie said:
Hmmm... Who's the fool? The one who maintains we don't know everything and science can be fallible ....or.... the one who maintains science knows all and God can't possibly exist?
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You don't read too good.

Post where I said science knows everything .. or, did I say this ...

I've never heard the argument that science has solved every mystery .. but it doesn a much better job of discovering the truth than do fables, fairy-tales, and myths.

Now how about explaining the ahh .. err .. coincidences between christianity and mithra?
 
ib1yysguy said:
This needs to be quoted again for posterity. This remains one of the most retarded things Dixie has ever said.
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Oh, so we are going to go back through the thread and repost your ass whoopin again? is that the plan? BRILLIANT! Okay... let's now post the Wiki link which proves I was right and you didn't know what the fuck you were talking about!

Dixie said:
Really???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_winds

The solar wind is a stream of charged particles—a plasma—ejected from the upper atmosphere of the sun. It consists mostly of electrons and protons with energies of about 1 keV. The stream of particles varies in temperature and speed with the passage of time. These particles are able to escape the sun's gravity, in part because of the high temperature of the corona, but also because of high kinetic energy that particles gain through a process that is not well-understood.

In January 1959, the first ever direct observations and measurements of strength of the solar wind were made by the Soviet satellite Luna 1.[9] They were detected by hemispherical ion traps. The discovery, made by Konstantin Gringauz was verified by Luna 2, Luna 3 and by the more distant measurements of Venera 1. Three years later its measurement was performed by Americans (Neugebauer and collaborators) using the Mariner 2 spacecraft.[10]

However, the acceleration of the fast wind is still not understood and cannot be fully explained by Parker's theory. The first numerical simulation of the solar wind in the solar corona including closed and open field lines was performed by Pneuman and Knopp in 1971. The magnetohydrodynamics equations in steady state were solved iteratively starting with an initial dipolar configuration.[11]

In the late 1990s the Ultraviolet Coronal Spectrometer (UVCS) instrument on board the SOHO spacecraft observed the acceleration region of the fast solar wind emanating from the poles of the sun, and found that the wind accelerates much faster than can be accounted for by thermodynamic expansion alone. Parker's model predicted that the wind should make the transition to supersonic flow at an altitude of about 4 solar radii from the photosphere; but the transition (or "sonic point") now appears to be much lower, perhaps only 1 solar radius above the photosphere, suggesting that some additional mechanism accelerates the solar wind away from the sun.

So how about a heaping steaming helping of STFU! Moron!
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For posterity sake!! :321:
 
blackascoal said:
You don't read too good.

Post where I said science knows everything .. or, did I say this ...

I've never heard the argument that science has solved every mystery .. but it doesn a much better job of discovering the truth than do fables, fairy-tales, and myths.

Now how about explaining the ahh .. err .. coincidences between christianity and mithra?
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Prove that religious beliefs are fables myths and fairy tales!!
 
Dixie said:
Oh, so we are going to go back through the thread and repost your ass whoopin again? is that the plan? BRILLIANT! Okay... let's now post the Wiki link which proves I was right and you didn't know what the fuck you were talking about!





For posterity sake!! :321:
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Care to explain how the vacuum of space was supposed to keep us from understanding how the sun creates wind?

It's so fucking funny you thought solar wind was just like earth wind, and the absence of air pressure means we don't understand it! Fucking hilarious. Then you go and post some stuff from wikipedia without understanding a lick of it, only to get slapped down by the fact that you keep saying it violates the laws of physics.

Keep going.
 
Dixie said:
Prove that religious beliefs are fables myths and fairy tales!!
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Sure .. right after you answer my question .. that you saw and ran away from.

Now how about explaining the ahh .. err .. coincidences between christianity and mithra?

If you need help, see post #186
 
ib1yysguy said:
Care to explain how the vacuum of space was supposed to keep us from understanding how the sun creates wind?

It's so fucking funny you thought solar wind was just like earth wind, and the absence of air pressure means we don't understand it! Fucking hilarious. Then you go and post some stuff from wikipedia without understanding a lick of it, only to get slapped down by the fact that you keep saying it violates the laws of physics.

Keep going.
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Sun doesn't create wind. We don't understand how the solar wind accelerates. Parker had the theory that heat from the corona was the cause, but that has been proven invalid because it moves too fast. So, I am still waiting on your explanation.... is that coming anytime in the near future, or are you just going to continue to pretend you've made some point?
 
blackascoal said:
Sure .. right after you answer my question .. that you saw and ran away from.

Now how about explaining the ahh .. err .. coincidences between christianity and mithra?

If you need help, see post #186
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Sorry, I can't argue religious beliefs with a non-believer. It seems a bit pointless to me. Besides, I am not a subscriber to any particular religious belief, I am a spiritualist.
 
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