Cop who arrested black scholar is profiling expert

this is supposedly mass law on it and it seems to me, given the facts we know so far, that the cop does fit a disorderly person:

A disorderly person is defined as one who:

with purpose to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or
recklessly creates a risk thereof
engages in fighting or threatening, violent or tumultuous behavior, or
creates a hazard or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose.
Conviction for Disorderly conduct in MA can be punishable by imprisonment for up to 6 months.
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http://www.masscriminaldefense.com/disorderly.htm
 
Yurt said:
this is supposedly mass law on it and it seems to me, given the facts we know so far, that the cop does fit a disorderly person:

A disorderly person is defined as one who:


http://www.masscriminaldefense.com/disorderly.htm
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Assuming for purposes of discussion that the above is the law, how in the hell does Gates fit that description:

1) How can things you say in your home or on your porch be said to purpose to "cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm or recklessly create a risk thereof"

2) How can calling a cop a racist and repeatedly requesting his name and badge number be considered "fighting or threatening, violent or tumultuous behavior?"

3) How can speech create a "hazard or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose?"
 
Dungheap said:
Assuming for purposes of discussion that the above is the law, how in the hell does Gates fit that description:

1) How can things you say in your home or on your porch be said to purpose to "cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm or recklessly create a risk thereof"

2) How can calling a cop a racist and repeatedly requesting his name and badge number be considered "fighting or threatening, violent or tumultuous behavior?"

3) How can speech create a "hazard or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose?"
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The fact that the charges were dropped is a pretty good indication that it was a frivolous excuse to bring the professor in.
 
Jarod said:
I agree with that... Still Obama should not have commented.
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I respect that you see it that way .. but what good is having a black president if he won't address issues that affect the black community? Quite obviously white presidents haven't done shit about the injustice of the criminal system .. haven't said one damn word about it.

Bill Clinton, the so-called "black president" was the greatest incarceration president in American history .. and he knew the injustice of the criminal system, yet still instituted many of the "lock-em up" policies that led America to the inglorious title of the greatest prison nation the world has ever known.

You tell me brother, who is better positioned to speak to a national injustice that both you and I KNOW exist than the president?

At what point in our history should the injustice of the American Just-Us system be taken seriously?
 
Dungheap said:
Assuming for purposes of discussion that the above is the law, how in the hell does Gates fit that description:

1) How can things you say in your home or on your porch be said to purpose to "cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm or recklessly create a risk thereof"

2) How can calling a cop a racist and repeatedly requesting his name and badge number be considered "fighting or threatening, violent or tumultuous behavior?"

3) How can speech create a "hazard or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose?"
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did you read the report where it mentioned the public annoyance etc...

i'm tired of speculating as i wasn't there, further, they dropped the charges due to the political nature of this idiocy....if the prof would have not started this shit, none of us would even hear about it....assuming the report is true, it was the prof that started it....

now he can go write his book, incite racial shit all over this country and make millions and still claim to be a victim.....what a country!
 
The funny part is these so called conservatives are laughing it up and completely dismissing this as some sort of left wing race baiting, when to be honest, everyone needs to be concerned.
What's been substantiated in this case is that cops can do whatever the hell they want to do. If they want to arrest you for questioning them or if you say something they find to be offensive, or if they've had a fight with their wife, you can be arrested.

Where is all the whining about censorship and individual rights and "America"?
 
LadyT said:
The funny part is these so called conservatives are laughing it up and completely dismissing this as some sort of left wing race baiting, when to be honest, everyone needs to be concerned.
What's been substantiated in this case is that cops can do whatever the hell they want to do. If they want to arrest you for questioning them or if you say something they find to be offensive, or if they've had a fight with their wife, you can be arrested.

Where is all the whining about censorship and individual rights and "America"?
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good lord....he wasn't just arrested for anything....the guy was BEGGING to be arrrested so he could write his book and people like you will eat it up and help make him his millions while he still whines about being a victim....
 
Yurt said:
good lord....he wasn't just arrested for anything....the guy was BEGGING to be arrrested so he could write his book and people like you will eat it up and help make him his millions while he still whines about being a victim....
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Yes. That's it. He wanted to get arrested in front of his house on his way home from the airport. My God! Our resident Sherlock Holmes has cracked the case.

why didn't we think of this.
 
Yurt said:
Cop who arrested black scholar is profiling expert

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Cambridge Sgt. James Crowley has taught a class about racial profiling for five years at the Lowell Police Academy after being hand-picked for the job by former police Commissioner Ronny Watson, who is black, said Academy Director Thomas Fleming.

"I have nothing but the highest respect for him as a police officer. He is very professional and he is a good role model for the young recruits in the police academy," Fleming told The Associated Press on Thursday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090723/ap_on_re_us/us_harvard_scholar_disorderly

people are going to find out that many jumped to incorrect conclusions about what happened based solely on race emotions rather than facts....obama really made an ass out of himself today
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I can't support Obama here. This is a pending case that he could influence and it's inappropriate for him to comment at all, for any reason. Charles Manson almost walked because Nixon did the same dumb thing.
 
blackascoal said:
Obama's assertion was supported by the Cambridge Police Department who called the incident "regrettable and unfortuante."

One didn't need all the facts to know that arresting this guy was stupid.

AND there is no doubt this cops superiors had a talk with him and told him how to better handle such situations.

How does this embarrass Obama .. except with the crowd that doesn't like him anyway?
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Because he's the chief legal officer of the government and a licensed attorney. He has an ethical obligation to not weigh in on a pending legal action in a manner that could influence a case one way or the other. Even if Obama's comments were correct about the officer, it was inappropriate for him to make such a statement until such a time as due process of law has been served, which at this time, it has not.
 
Jarod said:
I agree with that... Still Obama should not have commented.
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I stand corrected. If Obama made his comments after the charges had been dropped and there is no legal action pending he has as much as a right to an opinion as anyone else.

If legal action was pending, it was stupid thing for him to do and he should know better.
 
LadyT said:
Yes. That's it. He wanted to get arrested in front of his house on his way home from the airport. My God! Our resident Sherlock Holmes has cracked the case.

why didn't we think of this.
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He will make a million on the book, a very novel concept, "I Was Wrongly Arrested as a Black Man"

It WILL sell millions, nothing like this has happened in our history!
 
ib1yysguy said:
The fact that the charges were dropped is a pretty good indication that it was a frivolous excuse to bring the professor in.
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If charges were dropped, why the discussion of Obama's comment, did it happen before charges were dropped? I confess, I didn't read the articles, just people's thoughts on it.
 
Yurt said:
did you read the report where it mentioned the public annoyance etc...

i'm tired of speculating as i wasn't there, further, they dropped the charges due to the political nature of this idiocy....if the prof would have not started this shit, none of us would even hear about it....assuming the report is true, it was the prof that started it....

now he can go write his book, incite racial shit all over this country and make millions and still claim to be a victim.....what a country!
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Public annoyance? Did it mention how so? Nosey neighbors, he was yelling too loudly for the arresting cop?
 
LadyT said:
Yes. That's it. He wanted to get arrested in front of his house on his way home from the airport. My God! Our resident Sherlock Holmes has cracked the case.

why didn't we think of this.
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wrong again....he saw the opportunity as it came, when the cops got there he immediately started SCREAMING racism....he knew exactly what he was doing and it worked...he is back in the spotlight....and oh my, the very next day he is working the circuit telling everyone about his new book....

you guys are just politically biased you can't see the truth of the matter
 
Yurt said:
wrong again....he saw the opportunity as it came, when the cops got there he immediately started SCREAMING racism....he knew exactly what he was doing and it worked...he is back in the spotlight....and oh my, the very next day he is working the circuit telling everyone about his new book....

you guys are just politically biased you can't see the truth of the matter
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and somehow, your cockamamie OPINION morphs into the TRUTH???? :lmao:
 
Yurt said:
wrong again....he saw the opportunity as it came, when the cops got there he immediately started SCREAMING racism....he knew exactly what he was doing and it worked...he is back in the spotlight....and oh my, the very next day he is working the circuit telling everyone about his new book....

you guys are just politically biased you can't see the truth of the matter
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Thank you Ms. Cleo for reading his mind!
 
Yurt said:
did you read the report where it mentioned the public annoyance etc...

i'm tired of speculating as i wasn't there, further, they dropped the charges due to the political nature of this idiocy....if the prof would have not started this shit, none of us would even hear about it....assuming the report is true, it was the prof that started it....

now he can go write his book, incite racial shit all over this country and make millions and still claim to be a victim.....what a country!
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The actions (not speech) must be intended to cause public annoyance. Saying things to police officers inside your home or on your porch is not consistent with an intent to cause public alarm or annoyance.

And "assuming the report is true" is fucking hilarious.


Shorter Yurt: According to the cop, he did nothing wrong.
 
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