Concealed arms reciprocity rejected by Senate

[WinterBorn]

that is up to the states and localities to decide.

Carrying a gun in rural KY is not to be equated with carrying on in NYC.

But carrying a gun in rural KY is equated with carrying one in Louisville.

And carrying a gun in rural upstate NY is equated with carrying one in Manhattan.



There are many times that the federal government sets minimum standards.

There are plenty of laws that the federal government sets that apply across the board.

This was a situation that would have given US citizens more freedom to be armed. That is the problem, not states rights.

 

[uscitizen]

Not so sure about that, there are local ordinances that overrule the open carry Laws I think. Again I do not worry about that though.
Then to what to do with your gun when you go into govt buildings and such where no guns are permitted except by Law enforcement?

Also should private business have the right to prohibit firearms on their premises?
Same question for private property?
Establishments that serve alcohol?
in ky no guns are allowed around polling places. Based on historical evidence

Someone might drop their gun in the bathroom and shoot you in the leg.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

that is up to the states and localities to decide.

Carrying a gun in rural KY is not to be equated with carrying on in NYC.

KY has Open Carry Law. I think NYC would be a bit more dangerous if everyone carried guns open or concealed.
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as opposed to only letting the politically connected and famous to carry concealed.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Not so sure about that, there are local ordinances that overrule the open carry Laws I think. Again I do not worry about that though.
Then to what to do with your gun when you go into govt buildings and such where no guns are permitted except by Law enforcement?

shouldn't be that way in any government building with the sole and only exception of a courthouse/courtroom.

Also should private business have the right to prohibit firearms on their premises?
Same question for private property?
Establishments that serve alcohol?
in ky no guns are allowed around polling places. Based on historical evidence

the owner of said property has the right to dictate conduct for his customers, provided he doesn't violate the basic rights of a person, like their right to life.
In Philly, guns cannot be prohibited in polling places, to date there have been no problems.

 

[uscitizen]

as opposed to only letting the politically connected and famous to carry concealed.

We are proud of our celebrity exemptions in the USA.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

We are proud of our celebrity exemptions in the USA.

a shining example of that equal protection under the laws bit.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

OTOH, we have the Constitution, Article IV, Section 1. (Which , BTW, WILL eventually be used to force gay marriage onto the states as a whole.)

you might be right, but i am not so sure. a drivers license cannot be compared to a marriage license. congress i'm sure would step in if states made you get a drivers license in each state as it would impede interstate commerce and the right to travel. further, after a certain period of time, unless temporary such as a student, you must get a drivers license in the state you live and relinquist your old drivers license.

States honor other state's driver's licenses without a quibble, and driving is not a constitutionally enumerated right. Until the whole gay marriage controversy came up, states also honor other states' marriage licenses. So what's the deal about NOT honoring other states' license for concealed carry of firearms?

firearms don't impede interstate commerce or the right to travel. see fishing and hunting licenses....

I have to laugh out loud at the irony of DEMOCRATS talking about states' rights. What a bunch of fucking hypocrites. Every time a bill comes up these days, the democrats prove they are the biggest group of hypocrites that ever existed.

absolutely, not only with bills, but with politics....bush did it = bad, obama does it = good. then again, that is politics....

 

[Socrtease]

as a law enforcment officer, you do now. In the past, you didn't. It required federal legislation, H.R. 218, that then allowed active and retired police officers to conceal carry in all 50 states. Retired officers required a certificate/ID from their last department to show that they were still 'up to date' on their firearms training.

as an afterthought to your other question, no. the requirements for concealed carry are generally different in all the states that have it.

Grand, so it is fine that those that serve the police powers of their individual states carry concealed but the rest of us law abiding citizens cannot if we passed our state test? Personally I think that States should have to recognize all licenses issued by other states. Marriage, Concealed Carry etc.

 

[uscitizen]

Naah I don't think other states should have to honor marriage liscences from a different state.
That would be fun

what about a business liscence?

A professional liscence?

 

[Norman Paperman]

How about poetic license?

 

[Socrtease]

Naah I don't think other states should have to honor marriage liscences from a different state.
That would be fun

what about a business liscence?

A professional liscence?

Business licenses are required in each state to insure that businesses are operating within the borders of the state legally. HOWEVER, many businesses sell products across state lines using the Interwebs and catalogs and don't have to pay to do business in all 50 states so that argument is some what false. Professional licenses are money makers. If you want to practice law in a state you must pass their bar exam to prove you understand their laws, especially important in the quasi Napoleonic Louisiana where the civil code is just plain bizarre. Until Gay marriage, the states were required to recognize all other states marriage licenses.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Grand, so it is fine that those that serve the police powers of their individual states carry concealed but the rest of us law abiding citizens cannot if we passed our state test? Personally I think that States should have to recognize all licenses issued by other states. Marriage, Concealed Carry etc.

The worst part of H.R. 218 is that all the law enforcement and police unions begged for the citizens help in passing this legislation. In return, they were supposed to support national reciprocity on the next proposed bill. yeah, that happened.

 

[Good Luck]

you might be right, but i am not so sure. a drivers license cannot be compared to a marriage license. congress i'm sure would step in if states made you get a drivers license in each state as it would impede interstate commerce and the right to travel. further, after a certain period of time, unless temporary such as a student, you must get a drivers license in the state you live and relinquist your old drivers license.



firearms don't impede interstate commerce or the right to travel. see fishing and hunting licenses....



absolutely, not only with bills, but with politics....bush did it = bad, obama does it = good. then again, that is politics....

Hunting and fishing licenses are required to generate revenue for the conservation and regulation of hunting and fishing practices. So of course each state will require their own, without reciprocity.

Trading in your old DL is also a revenue item for states. If you are going to be a permanent resident, getting that state DL is part of putting you on their tax roles. You have to renew your DL from time to time even if you don;t move. However, I do not know of any state that requires the applicant to take any driving test for the state, if they have an unexpired DL from another state. As such, reciprocity still exists. Even though you are required to get a DL from the state you are a permanent resident, previous qualification from another state is considered valid, even though traffic laws differ from state to state.

Of course, IMO, the whole CCW permit issue is a load of totalitarian nonsense anyway. Why should I need to ask government of ANY level to exercise what is an enumerated right? Who actually thinks the requirement for a permit to carry concealed is going to stop a criminal from carrying concealed? Just another example of the complete idiocy of the whole gun control movement.

 

[uscitizen]

How about poetic license?

I don't think state lines impact those at all. They are just looked upon with pity.

 

[Damocles]

Business licenses are required in each state to insure that businesses are operating within the borders of the state legally. HOWEVER, many businesses sell products across state lines using the Interwebs and catalogs and don't have to pay to do business in all 50 states so that argument is some what false. Professional licenses are money makers. If you want to practice law in a state you must pass their bar exam to prove you understand their laws, especially important in the quasi Napoleonic Louisiana where the civil code is just plain bizarre. Until Gay marriage, the states were required to recognize all other states marriage licenses.

Think about it like Driver's Licenses. There are different requirements in different states, yet states are required to recognize the driver's license of another state.

The main argument against it was that the restrictions on such permits are different for each state, yet they don't seem to complain about different licensing restriction on the single largest killer in the US, the automobile.

 

[uscitizen]

Business licenses are required in each state to insure that businesses are operating within the borders of the state legally. HOWEVER, many businesses sell products across state lines using the Interwebs and catalogs and don't have to pay to do business in all 50 states so that argument is some what false. Professional licenses are money makers. If you want to practice law in a state you must pass their bar exam to prove you understand their laws, especially important in the quasi Napoleonic Louisiana where the civil code is just plain bizarre. Until Gay marriage, the states were required to recognize all other states marriage licenses.

I think the professional liscences would be closest to concealed carry permits. You have to show you understand the gun laws in your state for a concealed carry permit.

 

[Damocles]

I think the professional liscences would be closest to concealed carry permits. You have to show you understand the gun laws in your state for a concealed carry permit.

Again, more like driver's licenses. You have to show you understand the laws of your state concerning the operating of a vehicle before you get one of those, and the requirements are different in each state.

 

[uscitizen]

Actually driving laws are pretty close in most states.
Just follow the signs to cover the differences.

Educate me and show me wrong?

Do we have signs up telling us of differences in gun laws?

 

[Damocles]

Actually driving laws are pretty close in most states.
Just follow the signs to cover the differences.

Educate me and show me wrong?

Do we have signs up telling us of differences in gun laws?

Most states do not allow such permits. But yes, in places that do there are signs that clearly point out where you are not allowed to bring your concealed arm, much like street signs.

 

[DamnYankee]

It was a bad bill because it took power away from the states and put them in danger of the least common denominator. No different than saying two gays married in Massachusetts should be recognized in North Carolina.