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Dixie said:
No, you didn't! You got up on your moral high horse about killing humans in war, while turning your back on 47 million unborn babies who have been sucked down a tube for the sake of vanity and convenience. You displayed your complete and absolute hypocrisy for the whole world to see.
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So Iraqi babies and pregnant Iraqi women aren't humans murdered in the war?
 
PostmodernProphet said:
????....uh dude....YOU'RE the one killing them, not me.....
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Screw you. I am not killing anyone. YOU are the one who thinks killing one of them is somehow acceptable and one is not.... that is arbitrary whether you have the guts to admit it or not.


/shrugs....well, perhaps by your definition of "arbitrary"....but not by the definition of anyone who knows what the fuck they are talking about......
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it is OK to kill one fetus in your eyes and not to kill another based upon nothing to do with the fetus itself.... only its parents. from any honest perspective - especially one like yours that places such value on the humanity of the fetus, you are arbitrarily murdering one and not the other.
 
maineman said:
Screw you. I am not killing anyone. YOU are the one who thinks killing one of them is somehow acceptable and one is not....
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but I am opposed to killing any of them....I'm just willing to let you appease your bloodlust on the 5% in hopes of saving the other 95%.....I may be calculating and heartless, but I am not arbitrary....
 
Well I think we are making some progress. 27 pages into this, and we have at least 'evolved' away from the silly argument comparing fetuses and embryos to chicken eggs and acorns, and have gotten liberals to admit abortion is the killing of innocent human life. But I have a feeling this is only a temporary condition, apple or some other nitwit will undoubtedly return to repeat the same invalid points again, watch and see!

Once we are ALL on the same page, and accepting of biology, admitting that abortion is the killing of innocent human life, we can have a debate over when it is ethical or moral to end human life. I have no problems with having such a debate, I think we make all kinds of valid exceptions for ending human life, but it is very important to understand what we are doing, what is being discussed. If we are living in a fantasy world, or denying reality and fact, we really can't have that fundamental argument on any level.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
but I am opposed to killing any of them....I'm just willing to let you appease your bloodlust on the 5% in hopes of saving the other 95%.....I may be calculating and heartless, but I am not arbitrary....
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I have zero bloodlust for fetuses, asshole...

you are culling out 5% and, from the perspective of the fetuses, your doing so certainly IS arbitrary.
 
Onceler said:
I added nothing. If you will re-read that post, I was very clear to say "YET".

It is an important distinction.
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So what? The difference is still only the order of events. If you can kill a human that hasn't developed total brain function, why not kill those who have lost some? And where do you draw the line? *shrug*
 
christiefan915 said:
So Iraqi babies and pregnant Iraqi women aren't humans murdered in the war?
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No, they are humans killed in a war. The big difference I see is, people who are killed in a war zone, generally have some chance to do something to prevent their death. They can get into a bomb shelter, leave the country and become refugees, or denounce their government who pissed someone off and caused a war. Not always, but most of the time, this is the case. In any event, they have lived a life, experienced things, done things. Such is not the case with a fetus in the womb, they have no chance to do anything to prevent their death. They haven't lived or experienced life at all, and will be completely denied that opportunity, and they are helpless to do anything about it in every instance.

Yes, both are instances of people terminating human life. As I said, we can have the philosophical debate over when it is ethical and moral to kill human beings, but only when we are ALL on the same page with regard to what abortion is. It's not simply a matter of a woman's body, it's not just a 'clump of cells' or a 'chicken egg', it is the willing termination of an innocent human life. You want to have a debate over when that is ethical and moral, that is fine, but that is where the debate has to begin, not with this false pretense that a fetus/embryo is non-human or not alive.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Tell me about it! These are the same people who tell us that any comprehensive sex education in the public school system will promote pre-marital sex.....then they wail about the rise in abortions among young people. The fools just can't or won't see the flaw in their logic.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.....abortion should never happen in a country that can educated it's population from grade school on about sex, and provide the materials necessary to prevent contraception. The second this country treats sex education with the same reverence it has for sports, things will get better. Until then, it's an individual's choice.
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PostmodernProphet said:
lol....oh wait.....you mean you REALLY think there's someone who doesn't know where baby's come from?......
No, you ignorant lout......PAY attention. Sex education INCLUDES the clinical biology and contraception...what it means, what it does, how to do it. Got that genius? It was the mainstay of the bible thumping yahoos protest wailings against sex ed in schools. They claimed it would promote pre-marital sex.....of course they ignored the FACT that the rise in teen pregnancies and STD's was happening when there was NO sex ed in schools. Got it now, chuckles? But facts and logic have never stopped the fanatical mindset....or willfully ignorant neocon parrots like yourself.

we should have relationships education instead of sex education.....lessons could go like this...."Girls! When your boyfriend says "If you loved me, you would" then you take out your mace and you spray him in the left eye.....when he says "Why did you do that, you bitch" you spray him in the right eye and you say "The first was for assuming I am stupid, the second was for calling me a bitch"......
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Braying like an ass won't change the FACT that you totally missed the point of my previous statement. I tried a second time to explain it to you...if you're too dense to get it, or too blinded by dogma to accept it, that's your problem.
 
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Dixie said:
No, they are humans killed in a war. The big difference I see is, people who are killed in a war zone, generally have some chance to do something to prevent their death. They can get into a bomb shelter, leave the country and become refugees, or denounce their government who pissed someone off and caused a war. Not always, but most of the time, this is the case. In any event, they have lived a life, experienced things, done things. Such is not the case with a fetus in the womb, they have no chance to do anything to prevent their death. They haven't lived or experienced life at all, and will be completely denied that opportunity, and they are helpless to do anything about it in every instance.

Yes, both are instances of people terminating human life. As I said, we can have the philosophical debate over when it is ethical and moral to kill human beings, but only when we are ALL on the same page with regard to what abortion is. It's not simply a matter of a woman's body, it's not just a 'clump of cells' or a 'chicken egg', it is the willing termination of an innocent human life. You want to have a debate over when that is ethical and moral, that is fine, but that is where the debate has to begin, not with this false pretense that a fetus/embryo is non-human or not alive.
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Isn't it interesting that Liberals whine and moan about a few thousand civilian deaths during a short term war but have no problem with the ongoing slaughter of millions of babies every year. *shrug*
 
Southern Man said:
Isn't it interesting that Liberals whine and moan about a few thousand civilian deaths during a short term war but have no problem with the ongoing slaughter of millions of babies every year. *shrug*
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If someone were actually slaughtering babies, they'd be in jail.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Braying like an ass won't change the FACT that you totally missed the point of my previous statement. I tried a second time to explain it to you...if you're too dense to get it, or too blinded by dogma to accept it, that's your problem.
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so if you think there's a kid out there that doesn't know what contraception is, teach it to them.....personally, I think you miss the boat by not teaching them not to fuck....after all, there isn't much chance of getting pregnant if you don't fuck.....

now, sorting out all the points you made in between the mindless rants I think I've covered it all.....anything else you want to say?.....
 
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PostmodernProphet said:
so if you think there's a kid out there that doesn't know what contraception is, teach it to them.....personally, I think you miss the boat by not teaching them not to fuck....after all, there isn't much chance of getting pregnant if you don't fuck.....

Evidently, you've been asleep for the last decade or so. Let me bring you up to speed....ABSTINENCE teaching ALONE DOES NOT WORK. Period. Teaching kids what sex is, what are the implications/reprecussions, and how NOT to get pregnant or pass on STD's DOES WORK in cutting down on unwanted preganancies. If you like, I can provide you with the links to the studies that show this.

The jump in unwanted preganancies and STD's (teen and adult) happened when there was NO sex education in the schools, genius. Evidently, everyone either knew how to have sex or got the hang of it pretty quick. Sex education and contraception help lower the numbers on both.

now, sorting out all the points you made in between the mindless rants I think I've covered it all.....anything else you want to say?.....
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The only thing you've done is just ignore what I wrote and repeat the dogma you thing becomes more poignant by using the word "fuck". Sorry to burst your bubble, genius...but repeating your BS ad nauseum won't make it valid. Reality contradicts your contentions, as I pointed out. Whether you acknowledge it or not is of little consequence. Carry on, McDuff.
 
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