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Beefy said:
I think the belief that all races do not have the same inherent rights is a racist thought as well, regardless of the catalyst behind it. And yes, old religious convictions are full of racism.

If someone has religious beliefs that other races should be enslaved or murdered, I couldn't give a shit as to the fact that their "GOD" told them this shit, its STILL RACIST.

If god tells you that you are to do racist shit, then its still racist shit whether gord, david duke, or jesse jackson said so.

Opposing interracial marriage is racist. Jesus, I thought this was a pretty easy one.
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Dixie said:
You fucking nitwit! People's religious viewpoints ARE valid according to the 1st Amendment of the fucking Constitution, go read it for yourself!
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ib1yysguy said:
The 1st amendment doesn't make any religious belief valid, idiot. The establishment clause says nothing of the sort.
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Dixie said:
I have not argued that it should make a religious belief valid
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I submit for your consideration.
 
Beefy said:
Well, most religious people believe in a hateful, vindictive god that is more than willing to let billions of people suffer eternal merciless torture unless they kiss his ass in the right spot, so, such an evil entity would probably be racist too.
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God did order the murders of women and children. Many times. All except one family on the entire earth one time.
But he loves us ;)
 
Beefy said:
I think the belief that all races do not have the same inherent rights is a racist thought as well, regardless of the catalyst behind it. And yes, old religious convictions are full of racism.

If someone has religious beliefs that other races should be enslaved or murdered, I couldn't give a shit as to the fact that their "GOD" told them this shit, its STILL RACIST.

If god tells you that you are to do racist shit, then its still racist shit whether gord, david duke, or jesse jackson said so.

Opposing interracial marriage is racist. Jesus, I thought this was a pretty easy one.
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No one has said a damn thing about all races not having the same inherent rights. That is something you are attributing to the argument, which doesn't apply... or a strawman. No one has condoned slavery or murder, or claimed it is condoned by religion or belief in God. Again, these are straw men you are throwing up to torch, because you really don't have a suitable counter to what I said.

You can call anything you wish "racist" and it doesn't make it racist. I can sit here and post over and over, that YOU are a RACIST! I can post it in great big letters, highlight it in red and repeat it day in and day out, and it still won't make you something you're not. So why do you insist on doing this to people of religion?

You've not shown us where their belief is conducive with the belief of racial superiority, racial purity, or denial of any rights to any particular race of people. We are to just accept that because you call it "racist" it must be... for thou hath spoken, I guess? Sorry, but you don't get to proclaim what is or isn't racist by your own bigoted prejudiced viewpoint. Thank God!

No, we actually have a working dictionary definition to tell us what racism is, and religious beliefs which do not condone interracial marriage, are not based on anything remotely close to racial purity, racial superiority, or denial of rights. From the Biblical standpoint, it is a position God took because man became too wise. That's from the story in the Bible, and I am not here to argue the validity of the story or whether it has merit, only the point the religious believers make for their viewpoint, and going by what the definition of racism is, that isn't a racist view, it is a religious one.

It's only a "pretty easy one" if you are willing to abandon the definition of racism and proclaim something racist that you clearly don't understand. It is only a "pretty easy one" when you attach your viewpoint to a stereotype and prejudice you've made yourself. If you want to OBJECTIVELY examine it, the question is a lot more complicated. You see, religious beliefs regarding marriage are religious beliefs, they are ordained by God, and the followers merely obey the Word as they interpret it. Nothing about that is racist, nothing about following the teachings of your religion is racist. The actual teaching comes from an instance in the Bible which has nothing to do with racism or belief that one race is superior or inferior to another... absolutely NOTHING, therefore, by definition, it CAN'T be a racist viewpoint. That is not to say that some racists hide behind this as an excuse to oppose interracial marriage, just as some racists hide behind their own interracial marriage to hide their racism. Racists are very clever people.
 
ib1yysguy said:
I submit for your consideration.
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Are you fucking on drugs tonight or something? What is your pinhead problem?

The Constitution guarantees every American the right to practice and believe religiously, whatever the fuck they want to, and it ain't for you to decide if it is appropriate or okay! In fact, unless it specifically violates someone's other Constitutional rights, it's none of your goddamn business what people believe or how they worship God.
 
Dixie said:
Are you fucking on drugs tonight or something? What is your pinhead problem?

The Constitution guarantees every American the right to practice and believe religiously, whatever the fuck they want to, and it ain't for you to decide if it is appropriate or okay! In fact, unless it specifically violates someone's other Constitutional rights, it's none of your goddamn business what people believe or how they worship God.
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Not practice, just believe.
 
Dixie said:
No one has said a damn thing about all races not having the same inherent rights. That is something you are attributing to the argument, which doesn't apply... or a strawman. No one has condoned slavery or murder, or claimed it is condoned by religion or belief in God. Again, these are straw men you are throwing up to torch, because you really don't have a suitable counter to what I said.

You can call anything you wish "racist" and it doesn't make it racist. I can sit here and post over and over, that YOU are a RACIST! I can post it in great big letters, highlight it in red and repeat it day in and day out, and it still won't make you something you're not. So why do you insist on doing this to people of religion?

You've not shown us where their belief is conducive with the belief of racial superiority, racial purity, or denial of any rights to any particular race of people. We are to just accept that because you call it "racist" it must be... for thou hath spoken, I guess? Sorry, but you don't get to proclaim what is or isn't racist by your own bigoted prejudiced viewpoint. Thank God!

No, we actually have a working dictionary definition to tell us what racism is, and religious beliefs which do not condone interracial marriage, are not based on anything remotely close to racial purity, racial superiority, or denial of rights. From the Biblical standpoint, it is a position God took because man became too wise. That's from the story in the Bible, and I am not here to argue the validity of the story or whether it has merit, only the point the religious believers make for their viewpoint, and going by what the definition of racism is, that isn't a racist view, it is a religious one.

It's only a "pretty easy one" if you are willing to abandon the definition of racism and proclaim something racist that you clearly don't understand. It is only a "pretty easy one" when you attach your viewpoint to a stereotype and prejudice you've made yourself. If you want to OBJECTIVELY examine it, the question is a lot more complicated. You see, religious beliefs regarding marriage are religious beliefs, they are ordained by God, and the followers merely obey the Word as they interpret it. Nothing about that is racist, nothing about following the teachings of your religion is racist. The actual teaching comes from an instance in the Bible which has nothing to do with racism or belief that one race is superior or inferior to another... absolutely NOTHING, therefore, by definition, it CAN'T be a racist viewpoint. That is not to say that some racists hide behind this as an excuse to oppose interracial marriage, just as some racists hide behind their own interracial marriage to hide their racism. Racists are very clever people.
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How many sides does your mouth have Dix?

Seriously. You cant have it every fucking way. You can't sit here and continuously contradict yourself non-stop and then try to spin out of it.

Well, maybe you THINK you can, but you cant.
 
Beefy said:
How many sides does your mouth have Dix?

Seriously. You cant have it every fucking way. You can't sit here and continuously contradict yourself non-stop and then try to spin out of it.

Well, maybe you THINK you can, but you cant.
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The only thing I have contradicted is the false assertions of my viewpoint and the accusation I am a racist. I presented my argument and it has yet to be refuted, because you really can't refute it without twisting my viewpoint into something it's not.
 
"People's religious viewpoints ARE valid according to the 1st Amendment of the fucking Constitution, go read it for yourself!"

"The 1st amendment doesn't make any religious belief valid, idiot."

These are your words Dix. Yours.

Spin away.
 
Beefy said:
"People's religious viewpoints ARE valid according to the 1st Amendment of the fucking Constitution, go read it for yourself!"

"The 1st amendment doesn't make any religious belief valid, idiot."

These are your words Dix. Yours.

Spin away.
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The second sentence is mine. Then he contradicts himself in the third sentence I quoted.
 
Beefy said:
"People's religious viewpoints ARE valid according to the 1st Amendment of the fucking Constitution, go read it for yourself!"

"The 1st amendment doesn't make any religious belief valid, idiot."

These are your words Dix. Yours.

Spin away.
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Seems you've mixed up MY words with those of an idiot.

The First Amendment says what? That Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. So it's right there in black and white, people have the fucking right to believe and worship their God in whatever way they want to, and there ain't a damn thing you or anyone else can do about that, unless you repeal the First Amendment.

I never said anything about the Constitution making any religious belief valid, I am not sure where that was derived from anything I said, but it seems to be rampant in this thread, misquoting and misinterpreting anything and everything that I type. I think it is because you nitwits just want to make Dixie WRONG about whatever... doesn't matter if you have to lie and distort, doesn't matter if you have to infer I said shit I never said and lie about that! Whateverthefuck it takes to make Dixie WRONG is all you people focus on. Read the actual words I have posted, quote the actual sentences I have typed, and stop this pathetic charade of lies and misinterpretations.
 
Dixie has made the argument in the past that if one is bigoted because of a religious belief, the government can't protect the minority discriminated against because that would be violating the free exercise of their religion -- the case of gays getting married, for instance. If you let gays get married, you'd be violating the free exercise of the religious people who don't want it to happen. Logical extension leads one to conclude such reasoning could easily be applied to interracial marriage as well... if only it wasn't so fucked up that is.
 
ib1yysguy said:
Dixie has made the argument in the past ........
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Why do you continually have to go to "the past" to discuss the topic at hand? I don't see any relevance to this discussion. Isn't this just another pinhead tactic to divert the conversation... HEY LADY T, ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS SHIT?? Exactly what you accused me of doing earlier, this nitwit is doing right here and now!
 
ib1yysguy said:
that if one is bigoted because of a religious belief, the government can't protect the minority discriminated against because that would be violating the free exercise of their religion -- the case of gays getting married, for instance. If you let gays get married, you'd be violating the free exercise of the religious people who don't want it to happen. Logical extension leads one to conclude such reasoning could easily be applied to interracial marriage as well... if only it wasn't so fucked up that is.
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I've have NEVER made this argument, it is a complete distortion of another totally different argument, and the only reason you want to trot it out now is because I have thoroughly trounced that ass up one side and down the other, and shown you to be an imbecilic retard on every level.

You still want me to say I don't condone interracial marriage, that's what you want with all your precious little liberal heart, I know it! But guess what? I haven't ever said anything like that, and I'm not going to now, because I don't believe that. I believe every man and woman should have the right to marry regardless of race or religion, if they are of legal age as determined by their respective state. Homosexuality is a sexual lifestyle, not a race of people. The same standards simply don't apply, as much as you wish they did. Sorry!
 
Dixie said:
I've have NEVER made this argument, it is a complete distortion of another totally different argument, and the only reason you want to trot it out now is because I have thoroughly trounced that ass up one side and down the other, and shown you to be an imbecilic retard on every level.

You still want me to say I don't condone interracial marriage, that's what you want with all your precious little liberal heart, I know it! But guess what? I haven't ever said anything like that, and I'm not going to now, because I don't believe that. I believe every man and woman should have the right to marry regardless of race or religion, if they are of legal age as determined by their respective state. Homosexuality is a sexual lifestyle, not a race of people. The same standards simply don't apply, as much as you wish they did. Sorry!
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LOL

Whatever. I'm sure everyone else remembers it as well.
 
ib1yysguy said:
LOL

Whatever. I'm sure everyone else remembers it as well.
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People tend to "remember" what they want to here. If you think bringing my argument up about gay marriage here, is going to somehow refute anything I have said on this topic, you are sadly mistaken, butt munch. Arguments don't work that way! But you are right.... Whatever, indeed!
 
Dixie said:
Well, we disagree. I think opposing interracial marriage doesn't automatically make you a racist any more than opposing welfare or affirmative action. Just like, opposing gay marriage doesn't make you a homophobe or gay hater. People have all kinds of reasons for their viewpoints, and it is foolish (and bigoted) to stereotype people and determine their motives for them. That is precisely what you are attempting to do here, and what I am objecting to.

To oppose interracial marriage because it is your personal religious belief that God doesn't want you to marry outside of your race, is not a "racist" viewpoint, and has nothing to do with your personal feelings regarding superiority or inferiority of race, and you insisting they are the same thing, is never going to make it so. Sorry!
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Sorry Dixie. It's not only a fundamentally racist viewpoint but it is a moral slippery slope. The reasoning means you can use religion to justify any immoral act, such as but not limited to, opposing interracial marriage.
 
Mottleydude said:
Sorry Dixie. It's not only a fundamentally racist viewpoint but it is a moral slippery slope. The reasoning means you can use religion to justify any immoral act, such as but not limited to, opposing interracial marriage.
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Mott, if you can't show me something which somehow indicates it is fundamentally racist, you can't just proclaim that it is by default. I don't understand why you keep wanting to do that, but enough is enough. Either show me where a religious perspective is connected to racial supremacy, or any racist philosophy, or stop insisting that it is racist. You simply haven't provided ANYTHING other than your profound and infinite bigoted viewpoint and opinion!

Furthermore, there is no "moral slippery slope" in acknowledging truth and being reasonable about it. I tell you a really DANGEROUS slippery slope, is when we start calling things RACIST that aren't racist at all! When we start ruining peoples careers and lives because of ignorant stereotypes or hypersensitive political correctness run amok.
 
Dixie said:
Mott, if you can't show me something which somehow indicates it is fundamentally racist, you can't just proclaim that it is by default. I don't understand why you keep wanting to do that, but enough is enough. Either show me where a religious perspective is connected to racial supremacy, or any racist philosophy, or stop insisting that it is racist.
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Res Ipsa Loquitur
 
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