Was 2020 election stolen or not?

Flash said:
Then why did you ask me why they passed the laws? If their reasons are false you are the one inviting me to spread their views by answering your question. You did not want a real answer--you wanted something to rant about and throw around more insults and hate.
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LV, as a young woman, tends to see the world mostly in emotional terms, not coldly logical terms. She wants you to share her angst at the assholes pushing the Big Lie, not have you explain why they are assholes.

LV426 said:
Because I wanted you to repeat their lie in order for me to make my main point. And you did precisely that.

So you don't think you bear any responsibility to point out that what you are repeating is false?

I wanted you to blunder your way into an argument about your personal responsibility to the truth, and you did.
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QED

The classic "undisciplined mind of a human being".
 
Flash said:
And you just repeated that lie yourself. I never presented it as legitimate. I presented it as their reason.
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Flash that's the same thing...by not qualifying what you repeated, you helped proliferate the lie.


I repeated a lot of your claims that were lies, but that does not mean I was legitimizing them. I was explaining why you were wrong.
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I understand you think you bear no responsibility to the truth.

That's why you're a shitty person.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
LV, as a young woman, tends to see the world mostly in emotional terms, not coldly logical terms. She wants you to share her angst at the assholes pushing the Big Lie, not have you explain why they are assholes.
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So a couple things about you:

You don't have the courage of your convictions. What you do is try and bait people so that they will pay attention to you, which in your mind legitimizes all the shit you do. If everyone on this board decided at the same time to completely ignore you, you would go even further with your bad faith attempts to force feedback because deep down, you know you're full of shit, and you know we know you're full of shit.

Secondly, it's interesting how you think calling me a young woman is some kind of put down or petulant attempt at baiting, when you are probably the most emotional person on JPP who feels he has to go so far to say he isn't emotional.

My posts, for whatever reason, really get under your skin...and they get so deeply under your skin that your insecurity manifests itself in bullshit like this.

You can't stand that I make consistent points here while you do not, so you try to diminish me, rather than tackle the argument you know you can't win.

Sad.
 
Flash said:
And you just repeated that lie yourself.
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No I didn't...I quite clearly called it a lie:

You did repeat a lie...the lie that there was election fraud.
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You didn't.


I repeated a lot of your claims that were lies
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No, you quoted me. And you haven't proven anything is a lie. Conjecture is not proof of anything, Flash.

I had higher expectations of you since you pretended to be a professor...would you accept your arguments if they were presented to you in the same way by your students? Of course not. So you have higher expectations for everyone else than you do for yourself.
 
LV426 said:
So a couple things about you:

You don't have the courage of your convictions. What you do is try and bait people so that they will pay attention to you, which in your mind legitimizes all the shit you do. If everyone on this board decided at the same time to completely ignore you, you would go even further with your bad faith attempts to force feedback because deep down, you know you're full of shit, and you know we know you're full of shit.

Secondly, it's interesting how you think calling me a young woman is some kind of put down or petulant attempt at baiting, when you are probably the most emotional person on JPP who feels he has to go so far to say he isn't emotional.

My posts, for whatever reason, really get under your skin...and they get so deeply under your skin that your insecurity manifests itself in bullshit like this.

You can't stand that I make consistent points here while you do not, so you try to diminish me, rather than tackle the argument you know you can't win.

Sad.
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What convictions are you accusing me of not abiding by? I love my country. I abide by my oath to it. Trump is a fucking moron but I doubt he'll ever see the inside of a jail..or the Oval Office. Other than voting, what do you expect me and everyone else to do to support our convictions?

You are as emotional as I described. You'll write half a dozen posts in response to a single post. I like your enthusiasm, but you need to get yourself under control if you ever want to be more than an accessory to a successful man. This means use your reason as well as your emotions. Ensure that your reasoning mind both uses and controls your emotional mind.
 
LV426 said:
Lots of the super patriots on JPP don't seem confident, and none of them were willing to back up their big mouths with action on 1/6.

Poll finds 65% of Republicans say they don’t believe Biden’s election was legitimate
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/p...ve-bidens-election-was-legitimate-01612570478

So if the election wasn't legitimate, then how come none of the super patriots who claim it wasn't showed up to DC on 1/6 to do anything about it?

Not fighting election theft is anti-American.
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Not according to the 2021 electoral college, rulings by federal courts and SCOTUS at throwing out all of those frivolous lawsuits that tRump and his sewer mob hatched in a effort to attack and overturn the 2020 Constitutionally compliant election by the will of the over 81 million majority voter. Yet if you reflect on 2016 in which tRump solicited Russians to hack that election in his swine favor and also used repukes to facilitate the hacking, declaring that election illegitimate and stolen would be a accurate declaration. It appears the CIA confirmed that tRump was not legally elected but got in there by lawless and un Constitutional methods, in particular, Russian meddling.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
LV, as a young woman, tends to see the world mostly in emotional terms, not coldly logical terms. She wants you to share her angst at the assholes pushing the Big Lie, not have you explain why they are assholes.

QED

The classic "undisciplined mind of a human being".
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LV corrected me when I thought he was a she.
 
Flash said:
LV corrected me when I thought he was a she.
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Although she's never been specific, I think she's either late teens or early twenties. Obviously not getting laid enough. ;)

My advice to 20somethings not getting laid enough is to change your venue AKA hunting ground.
 
LV426 said:
Really? Explain. You talk a big game, let's see you back it up.
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LV426 said:
Really? Explain. You talk a big game, let's see you back it up.
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Are you always this excited or do you snort or drink something that makes you hyperactive? Excitable. Something like that? :D

Or, as I suspect, you're a normal late teens/early 20s woman not quite sure what you want. This is a good place to explore because it's safe. No one can hurt you here. Any pain you feel is of your own making.

You are free to blame others for your pain if they physically touch you but not psychologically. The word itself indicates you let it affect you. You let it. Any response you make without that understanding is going to distort your views against your best interests.

Nobody wants to be around a nut job. Not saying you are one, just that appearances matter. Especially on a forum where all we have are our words and the thoughts behind those words.
 
LV426 said:
No, you quoted me. And you haven't proven anything is a lie
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I haven't proven anything is a lie? You even admitted you were wrong. Not only do you lie but then you deny you lied. Some items I don't have to prove are lies because it is self-evident they are false. Just a few:

1. Trump is going to cancel the election.

2. Trump is going to delay the election.

3. Some states don't automatically cancel primaries if there is no competition.
[LV426]You're right. I was wrong about that.

4. Americans can assault a person in a Nazi uniform even if he is standing peacefully.

5. A judge can prohibit a person from flying a Confederate flag.

6. [LV426]: “You didn't read the fine print of this legislation. They're credits against future taxes paid. So they're not "free checks". You're going to pay for it in next year's taxes. [re: stimulus checks]

I guess maybe I was wrong for repeating those lies you told or maybe I was right because I countered those lies with the truth.
 
Flash said:
I haven't proven anything is a lie? You even admitted you were wrong.
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First of all, Flash, a prediction is not a lie. It's a *prediction*. Whether or not that prediction comes true doesn't mean the prediction itself is a lie.


Americans can assault a person in a Nazi uniform even if he is standing peacefully.
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Again, not a lie because Nazis pose an inherent threat to me because I'm Jewish. Stand your ground applies in that case.


5. A judge can prohibit a person from flying a Confederate flag.
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5 judges did that very thing to a woman in New York, about a month ago:

Judge Orders New York Woman to Remove Confederate Flag or Risk Custody of Biracial Child
https://www.newsweek.com/judge-orde...rate-flag-risk-custody-biracial-child-1590881
 
Flash said:
6. [LV426]: “You didn't read the fine print of this legislation. They're credits against future taxes paid. So they're not "free checks". You're going to pay for it in next year's taxes. [re: stimulus checks]
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It's true that payroll taxes won't be taken out of some taxpayers' paychecks, beginning Sept. 1 and continuing through the end of the year. But once the deferral ends, those taxpayers will be required to pay back the taxes by April 30, 2021.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-cut-temporary-and-must-paid-back/5697456002/

So I was wrong about the stimulus checks being paid back, but was not wrong about the payroll tax cut having to be paid back.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
What convictions are you accusing me of not abiding by?
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Any. You don't believe in anything, so you don't have any convictions.

You wouldn't even vote for Biden to prevent Trump from being President.

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Well, that's not actually true, you do believe in one thing: your own narcissism.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
I love my country. I abide by my oath to it.
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Whatever.


Dutch Uncle said:
Trump is a fucking moron but I doubt he'll ever see the inside of a jail..or the Oval Office. Other than voting, what do you expect me and everyone else to do to support our convictions?
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But you didn't vote for Biden.

So you couldn't even do the bare minimum.

You needed other people to do that work for you (work = voting for Biden). That seems like a pattern with you; you make a mess, refuse to clean it up, then criticize the people who do.
 
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