Terrible news for the Creation Science museum (and Republicans)

[Dutch Uncle]

If matter is not energy, then what is it?

Magical Unicorn dust?

Energy is a property of matter. https://kidskonnect.com/science/matter-energy/

"Matter is the substance of which all material is made. That means objects which have mass. Energy is used in science to describe how much potential a physical system has to change. In physics, energy is a property of matter. It can be transferred between objects, and converted in form. It cannot be created or destroyed."

 

[Into the Night]

Not really. It's an extension of relativity. If no absolute measure exists what we have is a system of relations.

Absolute measures exist everywhere. We can easily measure length from a given origin, pressure in absolute terms (compared to a perfect vacuum), absolute temperatures (according to the zeroth law of thermodynamics), and an absolute rest mass.

 

[BidenPresident]

Absolute measures exist everywhere. We can easily measure length from a given origin, pressure in absolute terms (compared to a perfect vacuum), absolute temperatures (according to the zeroth law of thermodynamics), and an absolute rest mass.

No. Relativity theory showed there is no absolute frame of reference for time or space. Basic physics, which you never studied.

 

[Into the Night]

The multiverse is highly speculative, but it is well within the realm of respectable scientific speculation.

Science doesn't speculate. Science isn't a casino. Science is a set of falsifiable theories.

Claiming that Genesis is referencing the cosmic background microwave radiation is just nonsense.

Cosmic rays have no frequency. They are not microwaves.

We cannot see past the comic background microwave radiation,

Cosmic rays have no frequency. They are not microwaves.

aka the edge of the observable universe,

Cosmic rays do not show an image.

so we do not know if the big bang was the origin of the universe, or if it was just one event which occurred in a much larger multiverse.

Since calling anything out of the Big Bang is turning a zero into infinity, the only way to describe it with any sense is in terms of a multiverse. In such a case, there is no such thing as a universe.

Genesis and the entire Torah should be read, in large measure, metaphorically.

Your choice.

And that is exactly how the early preeminent Christian scholars read it.

How do you know? Were you there?

The desire of fundamentalists to embrace biblical literalism and consider the Torah a historical account is just bad theology.

You are a fundamentalist of the Church of Evolution, the Church of Abiogenesis, the Church of the Big Bang, and you deny the Bible and the Torah.

 

[Into the Night]

There were also talking snakes in the Garden of Eden,

So? Who says snakes couldn't talk at that time?

so you are supposed to read it metaphorically.

Why? Because you are making a presentism fallacy?

The so called Mitochondrial Eve and Y chromosomal Adam were not even the first homo sapiens. Homo sapiens existed tens of thousands of years prior to them. So that contradicts the Genesis interpretation.

Yes...it contradicts not only Genesis, but elsewhere in the Bible.

So you claim a believe in the Bible, but deny it at the same time.
Which is it, dude?

 

[Into the Night]

You are obviously unfamiliar with the basic lexicon and concepts of cosmology and astronomy.

Vacuous argument fallacy.

You would have to pay me to teach you,

Teach what? Your religions? No thanks.

and I have neither the time nor inclination to bring a scientific illiterate up to speed.

You deny science.

 

[Into the Night]

If an intelligent agent created the universe ex nihilo, that agent would have to exist separate from the universe.

Simple logic is your friend.

In that case, the 'universe' is not the universe and never was.

 

[AProudLefty]

Magical Unicorn dust?

Energy is a property of matter. https://kidskonnect.com/science/matter-energy/

"Matter is the substance of which all material is made. That means objects which have mass. Energy is used in science to describe how much potential a physical system has to change. In physics, energy is a property of matter. It can be transferred between objects, and converted in form. It cannot be created or destroyed."

Yep. Trinity demonstrated that quite well.

 

[Darth Omar]

Agreed. At the least, none of them could be said to be a universe.

The light recognized as 'light' in those days would be visible light. Yes. The specific wavelengths of visible light.

Paradox. If the Universe at one did not exist, and God caused the Big Bang, where was God? The Universe that doesn't exist?

Outside of it in a ‘place’ that we cannot comprehend and certainly isn’t explainable in physical terms.

Hint: it’s foolish to try.

 

[Into the Night]

INT/IBDa/gfm;

Neither IBD nor gfm is here. You are hallucinating again.

if you weren't such a deluded poor little fuck then you'd realize that a forum is a medium, a tool. A manifesto is a product.

Despite your insult fallacies, I agree. A forum is not a manifesto.

In the case of your faux forum,

It is a real forum. You can join it at any time.

your manifesto.

A forum is not a manifesto. Now you say it is??? Paradox, dude.

It's a clear insight into the deeper worries of your paranoia.

What paranoia? You are hallucinating again.

Hopefully you're already getting help and taking your meds. If not, then you should get some because whatever the fuck you are doing now isn't working.

Inversion fallacy. You really should do something about your hallucinations.

 

[BidenPresident]

Outside of it in a ‘place’ that we cannot comprehend and certainly isn’t explainable in physical terms.

Hint: it’s foolish to try.

And foolish to believe.

 

[Into the Night]

As best I can tell, you’re trying to construct an argument out of semantics.

Inversion fallacy. That would be YOU.

This ‘thing’ where we exist, whatever you want to call it, with stars and galaxies had to begin to exist at some point; or, it has at least one attribute of the Biblical God—eternal existence.

Why does the 'thing' where we exist have to have a beginning at all?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Yep. Trinity demonstrated that quite well.

Is the Universe Playdoh of the Gods?

 

[Into the Night]

Can detectives go back in time to see what happened at crime scenes?

No.

 

[Nordberg]

Bigotry.

Data is the result of an observation. All observations are subject to the problems of phenomenology. No theory predicts. They only explain. To gain the power of prediction, a theory must be transposed into a closed functional system such as mathematics or logic. Most scientific theories transpose into mathematics. The resulting equation is called a 'law'.

If a theory of science is falsified, it is destroyed...utterly. Nonscientific theories cannot be falsified. They cannot be proven neither True nor False.

No. The theory is destroyed.

Nonscientific theories cannot be proved either True nor False. All religions are based on some initial circular argument, with arguments extending from that. It is not possible to prove whether any god or gods exist or whether they do not exist.

Learn what 'fact' means. A fact is not a proof nor a Universal Truth. All religions have facts.

As I said. All religions are based on some initial circular argument, with arguments extending from that. The other word for the circular argument is 'faith'.

The Theory of Creation, the Theory of Evolution, the Theory of the Big Bang, and the Theory of Abiogenesis are all nonscientific theories. NONE of them can be proven True nor False. NONE of them are falsifiable. NONE of them are science. ALL of them remain the circular arguments they started as, and have become religions.

I cannot believe how little you know. Do you make this shit up? It certainly is blatantly wrong.

 

[AProudLefty]

No.

Then why are they locking criminals up?

 

[Into the Night]

If matter is not energy, then what is it?

Matter has the quality of mass. It exists. It can be converted into energy.
Energy has the quality of a potential to apply a force. It has no mass. It exists. It can be converted to matter.

 

[BidenPresident]

I cannot believe how little you know. Do you make this shit up? It certainly is blatantly wrong.

duhhh fallacy n' junk duhhhh

 

[Into the Night]

Your ignorance science is astounding.

So...can't describe a test of the Big Bang theory itself, eh? Though so. When you turn to insulting people, you've lost. You have no further arguments to present.

 

[Into the Night]

No one can explain anything to you. Seriously, you have the knowledge of a high school student and think you have a PhD in physics.

So...can't explain how mathematicians deal with infinity, eh? Thought so. Again, when you turn to insults, you've lost. You have no further arguments to present.