Terrible news for the Creation Science museum (and Republicans)

Darth Omar said:
*Origin* of the species. The title to Darwin’s book is “The Origin of Species by means of Natural Selection or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life”.

Maybe the wokies should cancel Darwin lol. Actually, they wouldn’t dare do that. Darwin is off limits.

And correct, it doesn’t start from lifeless matter; and in fact, evolution has nothing to say about how life originated. That’s a totally different subject.
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I'm not saying the left isn't the one making the same mistake Darwin did......I'm just pointing out that there is in fact no origin in the science of evolution......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
whether something is a new "species" is an arbitrary designation imposed by humans......sometimes on nebulous factors such as how yellow the belly of a warbler appears.......
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I think they’re still trying to get actual new species to originate lol.

One of my problems with evolution is it requires the ‘believer’ [?] to accept so much of it on faith. Little if any of its more extravagant claims are repeatable.

You just have to accept that it happened. That irony tends to escape a lot of people. I tend towards agnostic on the whole business.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Thanks.

The sin the Fundies are committing is that they are limiting God to a book instead of using a book to achieve a better understanding of God.

If God created the Universe, then studying the Universe is to better understand God. It'd be a sin not to do so.
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I always thought that the more you learn (from science) about the complexities of life on this planet the more you marvel and are in awe about how it all came to be. Learning is an act of worship rather than defiance.
 
they think that scientifically observed minor changes, like subtle color changes in butterflies, prove that major changes happened.....thus they claim it is scientifically proven that over time human beings "evolved" from amoeba........
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I always thought that the more you learn (from science) about the complexities of life on this planet the more you marvel and are in awe about how it all came to be. Learning is an act of worship rather than defiance.
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Agreed on learning. Religious people who blind themselves to the truth or otherwise deny it are denying God.

Everyone else who does it is simply blinding themselves to truth. IMO, it's either because they are too stupid to understand it and are reacting emotionally or because they are liars. Both are bad.

PostmodernProphet said:
they think that scientifically observed minor changes, like subtle color changes in butterflies, prove that major changes happened.....thus they claim it is scientifically proven that over time human beings "evolved" from amoeba........
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QED

PmP is obviously a liar, a faux Christian and not-too-bright.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
they think that scientifically observed minor changes, like subtle color changes in butterflies, prove that major changes happened.....thus they claim it is scientifically proven that over time human beings "evolved" from amoeba........
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Maybe *you* evolved from an amoeba, not all that long ago. But the rest of us evolved from mammals which evolved from non-mammals.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I always thought that the more you learn (from science) about the complexities of life on this planet the more you marvel and are in awe about how it all came to be. Learning is an act of worship rather than defiance.
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Some would say the more that is learned the more design becomes apparent.
 
Darth Omar said:
Or so the story goes lol.
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The funny thing on this thread is when conservatives howl in protest that they are not anti science, but then post young earth creationist rhetoric.

The theory of evolution by natural selection is one of the most firmly established and verified theories in the history of science. It is on a par with general relativity and quantum mechanics.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I always thought that the more you learn (from science) about the complexities of life on this planet the more you marvel and are in awe about how it all came to be. Learning is an act of worship rather than defiance.
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indeed

Issac Newton, Johannes Kepler, and other scientists of the early modern period believed they were glorifying God and gaining insight into divinity by discovering the laws of nature
 
Cypress said:
The funny thing on this thread is when conservatives howl in protest that they are not anti science, but then post young earth creationist rhetoric.

The theory of evolution by natural selection is one of the most firmly established and verified theories in the history of science. It is on a par with general relativity and quantum mechanics.
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Not sure about that since experiments with those are repeatable.

You can’t repeat the past. Evolution is part historical account so the ‘story’ analogy is inevitable regardless of who makes it. It’s a biological historical narrative. Btw, I’ve never said I reject it. Though I am skeptical of some it’s more broader claims.
 
Cypress said:
The funny thing on this thread is when conservatives howl in protest that they are not anti science, but then post young earth creationist rhetoric.

The theory of evolution by natural selection is one of the most firmly established and verified theories in the history of science. It is on a par with general relativity and quantum mechanics.
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Agreed. The problem is that Republicans have evolved into quasi-religious, highly political, under-educated fanatics. <-- see what I did there? :laugh:
 
Cypress said:
Darwinian evolution would not be plausible as a theory if we did not have evidence of an ancient earth.

Modern astronomy and cosmology would not be possible without the concept of deep time on earth and in the solar system.

Applied science and engineering are fine.


Some of us, including most scientists involved in core research are interested in the deep questions of ultimate reality, regardless of whether or not they result in better technology - aka, dark matter, the multiverse, the Higgs boson, abiogenesis, exoplanetary science, etc.
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Darth Omar said:
Darwinian evolution isn’t terribly important from the standpoint of human advancements that came from science. It takes considerable faith to accept abiogenesis. Multiverse *hypothesis* is a way of getting around the apparent beginning to the universe.
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Evolutionary science has practical and profound applications in medical science and pharmaceuticals.

I suppose only intellectuals, research scientists, liberals, and people of boundless curiosity are interested in the deep questions about ultimate reality - simply for it's own sake.
 
Darth Omar said:
Not sure about that since experiments with those are repeatable.

You can’t repeat the past. Evolution is part historical account so the ‘story’ analogy is inevitable regardless of who makes it. It’s a biological historical narrative. Btw, I’ve never said I reject it. Though I am skeptical of some it’s more broader claims.
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You actually *can* do experiments that show evolution happening in real time. Ask any microbiologist.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Yes, some would say that and believe it too, whether or not there is any evidence for it.
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The evidence is actually abundant. The apparent fine tuning of the physical constants, for example. It just can’t be pigeon holed into science because science can only accept purely naturalistic explanations for any phenomena.
 
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