Pathetic Pelosi... just PATHETIC....

Southern Man said:
Again, I can't keep track of her lies. Too many.
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I’m always astounded as to the extent of deception in which pro-choice Catholics indulge themselves, both inwardly and outwardly, to justify their positions. Perhaps there is no balder example of this than Nancy Pelosi attempting to spin the Catholic doctrine on human life today on Meet the Press. Pelosi argues that the Catholic position on human life only developed in the last 50 years and that it doesn’t impact abortion in any case:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM2VqqNLWxQ"]YouTube - Speaker Pelosi on "When Life Begins"[/ame]
REP. PELOSI: I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time. And what I know is, over the centuries, the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition. And Senator–St. Augustine said at three months. We don’t know. The point is, is that it shouldn’t have an impact on the woman’s right to choose. Roe v. Wade talks about very clear definitions of when the child–first trimester, certain considerations; second trimester; not so third trimester. There’s very clear distinctions. This isn’t about abortion on demand, it’s about a careful, careful consideration of all factors and–to–that a woman has to make with her doctor and her god. And so I don’t think anybody can tell you when life begins, human life begins. As I say, the Catholic Church for centuries has been discussing this, and there are those who’ve decided…

MR. BROKAW: The Catholic Church at the moment feels very strongly that it…

REP. PELOSI: I understand that.

MR. BROKAW: …begins at the point of conception.

REP. PELOSI: I understand. And this is like maybe 50 years or something like that. So again, over the history of the church, this is an issue of controversy. But it is, it is also true that God has given us, each of us, a free will and a responsibility to answer for our actions. And we want abortions to be safe, rare, and reduce the number of abortions. That’s why we have this fight in Congress over contraception. My Republican colleagues do not support contraception. If you want to reduce the number of abortions, and we all do, we must–it would behoove you to support family planning and, and contraception, you would think. But that is not the case. So we have to take–you know, we have to handle this as respectfully–this is sacred ground. We have to handle it very respectfully and not politicize it, as it has been–and I’m not saying Rick Warren did, because I don’t think he did, but others will try to.

The notion that the Catholic Church declared abortion a sin at the same time as the Pill is patently absurd, and shows that Pelosi has either lied about studying the issue in terms of Church history or lied about what she found. Church writings specifically naming abortion as murder appear as early as 70 AD in the Didache, the first written catechism of the Christian church:

“The second commandment of the teaching: You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not seduce boys. You shall not commit fornication. You shall not steal. You shall not practice magic. You shall not use potions. You shall not procure [an] abortion, nor destroy a newborn child” (Didache 2:1–2 [A.D. 70]).
 
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Superfreak said:
read the damn articles that have been posted on this thread. The journalists at that press conference were agitated to say the least that she had misled them as to what she knew and when she knew it.
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Quite obvious he hasn't read the previous posts. I'm not even sure he's followed the story.
 
cawacko said:
Quite obvious he hasn't read the previous posts. I'm not even sure he's followed the story.
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I think some individuals *cough* Dung *cough* are so desperate to cling to the belief that their beloved Dem leaders can do no wrong that they continue to play word games to pretend that those who think Pelosi is full of shit are just right wing nuts. They refuse to acknowledge that reporters across the political spectrum and the DEMOCRAT/former CA rep/current head of the CIA appointed by OBAMA said she is wrong.

Jarod is just spouting off the first crap he pulls from his backside.
 
Superfreak said:
I think some individuals *cough* Dung *cough* are so desperate to cling to the belief that their beloved Dem leaders can do no wrong that they continue to play word games to pretend that those who think Pelosi is full of shit are just right wing nuts. They refuse to acknowledge that reporters across the political spectrum and the DEMOCRAT/former CA rep/current head of the CIA appointed by OBAMA said she is wrong.

Jarod is just spouting off the first crap he pulls from his backside.
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I was in S.F. last week for work so this story obviously got a lot of local press coverage. The S.F. Chronicle is generally supportive of her and they were calling her out. And on the Chronicle website where people can post comments after an article there were definitely some left-leaning posters very upset with her (that's not saying all).

At the end of the day she's not going to lose her job or anything but it does weaken her somewhat.
 
cawacko said:
I was in S.F. last week for work so this story obviously got a lot of local press coverage. The S.F. Chronicle is generally supportive of her and they were calling her out. And on the Chronicle website where people can post comments after an article there were definitely some left-leaning posters very upset with her (that's not saying all).

At the end of the day she's not going to lose her job or anything but it does weaken her somewhat.
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I never thought she would lose her job.... the entire point of this thread was to mock her for bitching so long about Bush and Cheney etc... on this topic and then we find out that she has essentially known all along. Her so called 'truth' commission apparently was designed to start and stay on the right hand side of the aisle. I don't think she expected it to jump back over to the left and get right in her face as it has.
 
Superfreak said:
I never thought she would lose her job.... the entire point of this thread was to mock her for bitching so long about Bush and Cheney etc... on this topic and then we find out that she has essentially known all along. Her so called 'truth' commission apparently was designed to start and stay on the right hand side of the aisle. I don't think she expected it to jump back over to the left and get right in her face as it has.
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Agreed.
 
Superfreak said:
I think some individuals *cough* Dung *cough* are so desperate to cling to the belief that their beloved Dem leaders can do no wrong that they continue to play word games to pretend that those who think Pelosi is full of shit are just right wing nuts. They refuse to acknowledge that reporters across the political spectrum and the DEMOCRAT/former CA rep/current head of the CIA appointed by OBAMA said she is wrong.

Jarod is just spouting off the first crap he pulls from his backside.
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Actually, I've already conceded that they've done wrong. But I haven't seen where Pelosi is a liar. The hypocrisy charge I can understand since I sympathize with that view, but I don't see that Pelosi is a liar.

And falling back on the idea that because columnists also dislike Pelosi as a measure of whether she is lying is really weak. If she lied it shouldn't be too difficult to point it out.

As for the CIA, I've already documented why there is plenty of reason to discount what the CIA is saying happened at these meetings, not least of which is the fact that the CIA itself isn't vouching for the information.
 
Superfreak said:
I never thought she would lose her job.... the entire point of this thread was to mock her for bitching so long about Bush and Cheney etc... on this topic and then we find out that she has essentially known all along. Her so called 'truth' commission apparently was designed to start and stay on the right hand side of the aisle. I don't think she expected it to jump back over to the left and get right in her face as it has.
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Actually, Pelosi was just pleased as punch to sit back and not have any truth commission at all until the right began attacking her. Apparently, the plan for the right was to attack Pelosi in an effort to get other Democrats to back down on the truth commission. Apparently, it backfired with Pelosi now calling for a truth commission whereas previously she didn't call for one.
 
Just because I think it's fun:

Central Intelligence Agency Director Leon Panetta didn't reject or deny House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's allegations that she was falsely briefed by the CIA about interrogations.

Look carefully at Panetta's statement from Friday, especially the verb tense used. "Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress." First, "let me be clear" always precedes an ambiguous statement. Without fail. Panetta isn't opining on past acts. He's referring to the current policy. He's also not saying it never happens or happened that someone lied to or misled Congress. He's saying the agency as a whole doesn't intend to.

Panetta was at his Monterey, Calif. think tank when this all happened in 2002 and 2003. He doesn't know if Pelosi was lied to. He also doesn't say he talked to the briefers and is convinced they're telling the truth. He just says the paper records say she was briefed about the techniques. We knew that already from agency statements. So he's adding his voice to the mix and sending a signal that he'll stand by his agency, but to say he sided with the briefers on the specifics is just wrong.

Again, I'm not saying Pelosi was lied to or even misled. It would seem rather brazen to do that. But Panetta's statement says less than people are claiming.

There's a substantial chance that the CIA's written record of what Pelosi was told at that briefing in 2002 isn't accurate or complete.

Pelosi isn't the only one who has questioned the completeness and/or accuracy of the CIA's public log of 40 Congressional briefings on interrogations or the underlying memos which were used to produce the log. Former senator Bob Graham (D-Fla.) doesnt' recall being briefed on waterboarding, as the log claims. Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman John Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) said the log's references to him aren't accurate. Even Republican Rep. Pete Hoekstra of Michigan, the ranking member and former chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, has said the log omits some briefings. He also seems to allow that the underlying memos might not be entirely definitive.

So, it's possible--at least, possible--that Pelosi is right, or that what transpired was more ambiguous, with one side having intended to say something the other side didn't hear or understand.
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http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/0509/3_Monday_heresies.html
 
Superfreak said:
read the damn articles that have been posted on this thread. The journalists at that press conference were agitated to say the least that she had misled them as to what she knew and when she knew it.
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Ohhh, so now we are taking the word of Journalists?
 
Dungheap said:
Actually, Pelosi was just pleased as punch to sit back and not have any truth commission at all until the right began attacking her. Apparently, the plan for the right was to attack Pelosi in an effort to get other Democrats to back down on the truth commission. Apparently, it backfired with Pelosi now calling for a truth commission whereas previously she didn't call for one.
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Yup, to see who wants the truth out and who does not... lets look at who wants a truth comission and who does not!
 
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