Blue Wall Continues To Crumble Around Chauvin

Althea said:
There goes the defense's whole case

This should be interesting. The biased judge already denied the jury the knowledge that all involved in Floyd's murder have been fired.

I'll bet the prosecution is going to have to tiptoe around that during direct.
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You haven't watched the trial at all have you? If you had you'd know that MPD sent their policies to nelson, chauvins attorney, and the documentation they sent contradicts that testimony.
 
Althea said:
If you believe that 'debating' based on opinion is a substitute for facts, then you are left with nothing but your opinion. Which is what I stated.
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That is nothing but a dodge.

Everything on message boards like this one is opinion.

I never claimed to have all the answers because I'm not as full of myself as some people are.

If you are the sole possessor of the facts as you seem to think you are, maybe you should be up in Minneapolis sitting by yourself in the jury box in sole judgement. Because from what the rest of us mortals understand, all the facts have not yet been completely determined.

Althea said:
I don't believe it's snarky. Truthfully, the prosecution doesn't even need witnesses. They could play the video in a loop.
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The statement you made to me had a short, snarky tone to it.

Maybe we should just do away with all trials and let you and people who think like you decide the fate of all criminals.
 
Althea said:
There is a chasm between the two ends of the spectrum you offer here.

This thread is about the murder of Floyd, who was begging for his life and telling the cops 'you win'.
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Seems to me that you are one of those hate/defund the police types who think they should all be social workers and carry milk and cookies in their holsters rather than guns.

And I don't need to be told what this thread is about.

I was responding to a specific post on the subject I discussed.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Do you believe it has relevance to Chauvin's crimes and procedural violations? Are you saying there was premeditation?
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I thought the opposite. I thought that he should have given him a modicum of slack. Perhaps you have it right. Not premeditation per se, but no quarter given due to past negative attitudes toward him.
 
Nomad said:
Seems to me that you are one of those hate/defund the police types who think they should all be social workers and carry milk and cookies in their holsters rather than guns.

And I don't need to be told what this thread is about.

I was responding to a specific post on the subject I discussed.
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And it seems that you are always of the opinion that cops are right no matter what. You are quick to jump whenever someone blames a cop for anything.


All of my Irish uncles were detectives in Fort Apache in the 60's and 70's. You probably shouldn't make assumptions.
 
Althea said:
I thought the opposite. I thought that he should have given him a modicum of slack. Perhaps you have it right. Not premeditation per se, but no quarter given due to past negative attitudes toward him.
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The Prosecution hasn't hinted about it and the Defense won't bring it up even if it existed.
 
Althea said:
And it seems that you are always of the opinion that cops are right no matter what. You are quick to jump whenever someone blames a cop for anything.
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No, I am not.

But in most of the similar cases we've seen over the past 10 years or so, the cops were dealing with some ignorant POS thug who refused to stop resisting arrest and cooperate with them, causing the police to escalate the level of force required to get them under control.

Then, because the thug was fat, out of shape, and/or suffering from internal organ damage from years of drug use like Floyd and the one who was busted selling cigarettes in NYC some years ago and also couldn't breathe after fighting with the cops the entire time, the thug croaks and everyone else gets blamed.

Then their families become multimillionaires at the taxpayers' expense and people like you, applaud and cheer because it makes you feel enlightened and woke.

Althea said:
All of my Irish uncles were detectives in Fort Apache in the 60's and 70's. You probably shouldn't make assumptions.
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Well of course they were. :palm:

I am sick of seeing these assholes making life difficult for everyone by committing their criminal acts in the first place, then making it more difficult for the police to do their jobs enforcing the law, and then seeing their lowlife families hit the jackpot because some over worked, over stressed cop who is now required to remember a set of encyclopedias worth of different rules and regulations, makes a misstep.

Not to mention the ensuing deification and sanctification of these lowlifes by the media and the woke moron crowd.

I'm wondering how long it will be before we can no longer get people to even apply for police jobs anymore because of all the bullshit and liability involved and the potential for being sent to prison over some dirtbag.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed. However, can't do that since the police are being defunded to do their job. ;)
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That makes sensational headlines, but I don't see too many stories of governments actually following through with that.

President Biden certainly does not favor that idea.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch Uncle,
That makes sensational headlines, but I don't see too many stories of governments actually following through with that.

President Biden certainly does not favor that idea.
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Weren't there protests over increased police budgets in some cities last fall? The beginning of FY2021?
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
Weren't there protests over increased police budgets in some cities last fall? The beginning of FY2021?
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Protests and government spending are two different things.

Simply put, every police officer should be wearing a body cam which cannot be turned off. Period.

If the funding is not there for it, it should be created.

That can be by increasing funding, or by reducing police expenditures in other areas.

Recent decades have seen drastic increases in police militarization.

That is an unfortunate byproduct of our military industrial complex influencing government to purchase more and more advanced weapons and armament, and then those used weapons and armaments are offered to police. The problem with that is police have a different function than the military does. One is defending the country, the other is to serve and protect.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch Uncle,



Protests and government spending are two different things.

Simply put, every police officer should be wearing a body cam which cannot be turned off. Period.

If the funding is not there for it, it should be created.

That can be by increasing funding, or by reducing police expenditures in other areas.

Recent decades have seen drastic increases in police militarization.

That is an unfortunate byproduct of our military industrial complex influencing government to purchase more and more advanced weapons and armament, and then those used weapons and armaments are offered to police. The problem with that is police have a different function than the military does. One is defending the country, the other is to serve and protect.
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I'm talking about the cities. Everyone in government uses the FY in their budgeting process. It figures since local and state funding is often predicated on any Federal funding in the works.

Agreed on the full-time/no shut off body cams. The problem is money. Do you know what the cost would be? Not just cameras that are nearly impossible to break (the wearer doesn't know if it's working or not), but the memory collection and storage for 24/7 body cams on all the city or county's LEOs.

Most police want the cams. It's like robocams at stoplights or for speeders. Who wants them? Who is worried about them?

Page 5 of the PDF file gives a list of good reasons to have Body Worn Cameras (BWC)
https://www.policeforum.org/assets/BWCCostBenefit.pdf
 
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Dutch Uncle said:
The Prosecution hasn't hinted about it and the Defense won't bring it up even if it existed.
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I'm quite sure the prosecution is on a short leash w/respect to the firing, and past association. In fact, the police that testified were only allowed to do so in a very narrow scope. NO opinions re. Chauvin's actions.
 
Nomad said:
No, I am not.

But in most of the similar cases we've seen over the past 10 years or so, the cops were dealing with some ignorant POS thug who refused to stop resisting arrest and cooperate with them, causing the police to escalate the level of force required to get them under control.

Then, because the thug was fat, out of shape, and/or suffering from internal organ damage from years of drug use like Floyd and the one who was busted selling cigarettes in NYC some years ago and also couldn't breathe after fighting with the cops the entire time, the thug croaks and everyone else gets blamed.

Then their families become multimillionaires at the taxpayers' expense and people like you, applaud and cheer because it makes you feel enlightened and woke.
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Case in point. Garner was not resisting, and was attacked within seconds of asking why he was being cuffed. There were (once again) 4 or 5 cops present that could have reasoned with him, given that he stood no chance of avoiding the cuffs with so many of them.



Well of course they were. :palm:
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I guess you forgot the movie they made about the place.

I am sick of seeing these assholes making life difficult for everyone by committing their criminal acts in the first place, then making it more difficult for the police to do their jobs enforcing the law, and then seeing their lowlife families hit the jackpot because some over worked, over stressed cop who is now required to remember a set of encyclopedias worth of different rules and regulations, makes a misstep.
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Spoken like a cop. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Frustration is understandable. Bust them one day, and they're out on the street next week. A revolving door. Maybe being a kindergarten cop is more suited to your frustrations.
 
Both lawyers suck.
Jurors have been seen nodding off.

Look for a mistrial.
Chauvin may catch a break until they find another way to deal with him.
 
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