Armed Insurrections planned for 1/16-1/20

[Flash]

So this kinda runs in direct contradiction to this, which you said one post before:

No, it is not a contradiction at all. You are confusing an FBI report in the day(s) before the protest with the 15,000 attending the protest itself.

The one-line internet post "Get violent. Stop calling this a march, or rally or a protest" does not speak for all the people attending the protest and most of the 15,000 were not involved in the few hundred rioters who entered the Capitol. Anybody could have written that post.

To suggest all 15,000 went to D.C. to storm the Capitol is nonsense. Especially with your claim that they sought to kill those in line for the presidency. Most of those in line of succession were not even at the Capitol.

So what I don't understand is why you made the assumption here after reading and quoting the NYT article where they literally say not to think of this as a protest or riot"

"They literally say.." Who is they? It is a one-line post on the internet. You don't know who posted it, if they were actually involved in the protest, and certainly no clue whether the other people attending agreed with those sentiments.

It was probably posted by somebody on JPP.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

dead cops or no dead cops does not change the language needed to rise to incitement
Dead cops does leave them open to other charges - but the incitement charge/language stands on its own

Not a lawyer so I don't know about the "rise to incitement" thing but agreed Trump should held responsible for the loss of life on both sides.

 

[Walt]

They cant and wont convict,... for a myriad of reasons both legally and logically. Dog and pony show.

Your predictions are suspect, because they are mostly wrong. For instance, you were sure that trump was going to turn around his loss at multiple points.

 

[Underdog]

Stop whatabouting...you said this thing was a "shock prop"...so OK, if that is what it is, then what is the message they were conveying through it?

Also, "Stop the Steal" was incitement, so the gallows were what they would use to stop the steal, right? How would they "stop the steal"?

pointing out your hypocrisy is not "whatabouting".

 

[LV426]

Disagreed, dear. Now you're sounding like the idiots who claim all BLM and Antifa members are violent criminals.

The New York Times literally quoted someone who said not to think of this as a protest.

 

[LV426]

I have no doubt there was planning, funding and a desire to attack Congress in furtherance of Trump's delusion that he won. There could have been darker forces, much smaller who did have in idea to steal high-security items.

Not merely the idea...they DID steal those items, including a laptop from Nancy Pelosi's office, and the Speaker's own podium.

There's evidence some people reconnoitered Congress the day before despite the fact most tours had been canceled for months. "Special friends of special people." Regardless, the investigation will find the facts and corrections will be taken.

We'll see.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The New York Times literally quoted someone who said not to think of this as a protest.

You can quote me as saying it was a fucking riot and Donald J. Trump is responsible for inciting it if not also responsible for planning it.

 

[LV426]

Very true, but you did not predict that event.

Which is why I said in my post that even I wasn't expecting that.

 

[LV426]

The same reason for any protests--hoping a show of strength would have favorable political results

What political result?

 

[LV426]

the same as BLM, civil rights marches, Anti-Vietnam protests, protests against Drumpf's election (whether they were peaceful or deteriorated into riots)

No, it's not the same because "STOP THE STEAL" is a lie.

 

[LV426]

Agreed, but you thought he was going to cancel the election in advance, not try to get it overturned later; although, it is certainly not surprising. Nobody except the Drumpf supporters has any doubts the claims about voter fraud, Antifa causing the riots was a big lie.

I did think that and he did fucking try to do that.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Not merely the idea...they DID steal those items, including a laptop from Nancy Pelosi's office, and the Speaker's own podium.

We'll see.

Sorry for not being clear: There's a difference between a crime of opportunity and a premeditated crime.

Since the planning of the raid on the Capitol was known in advance, if I were an intelligence officer of a foreign power, I'd spend $10,000-20,000** hiring (through intermediaries) a few idiots to steal papers, laptops, files and anything else of possible intelligence use.

Notice the offices were ransacked. It might have just been idiots, but it could also have been by a few people looking for something of value in a premeditated act.

No doubt the FBI has considered this possibility too and is looking into it.


**Too low? Maybe the going rate is $50K-70K. Either way, it was an opportunity for an intelligence op.

 

[LV426]

A lie about election fraud is (partly) what motivated the crowd to march, but a lie (or truth) told in advance cannot incite a crowd to commit violence a month later.

No Flash, it was the only reason they were there. No one was there for any other reason than to get Congress and/or the VP to toss out election results they didn't like by threatening them with violence.

Otherwise, why was it called "stop the steal"? Why did Trump say to "fight" and "not show weakness"? Why has he been doing this for months?

 

[LV426]

You are missing the point that convicting a person for inciting a riot is legally very difficult.

No, it really isn't, and you have absolutely NO FUCKING IDEA what you're talking about.

 

[Mr.Badguy]

Sorry for not being clear: There's a difference between a crime of opportunity and a premeditated crime.

Since the planning of the raid on the Capitol was known in advance, if I were an intelligence officer of a foreign power, I'd spend $10,000-20,000 hiring (through intermediaries) a few idiots to steal papers, laptops, files and anything else of possible intelligence use.

Notice the offices were ransacked. It might have just been idiots, but it could also have been by a few people looking for something of value in a premeditated act.

No doubt the FBI has considered this possibility too and is looking into it.

Honestly they'd pay that much just for news footage of chaos in the Capitol.

 

[LV426]

You have to prove the crowd would not have rioted without those comments.

Again, how does one go about "stopping the steal"? He told them to fight. He lied to them about the election being stolen. He told them to not show weakness. And he did it not just on 1/6, but two days before in Dalton.

Your biggest problem is that you absolutely don't read or watch things. You didn't watch Trump's 1/6 incitement, did you? You didn't want Trump's 1/4 incitement in Dalton, did you? You didn't see the Tweets, hear the speeches...but you're here telling me these things you haven't watched or read aren't incitement.

Well how would you know? You didn't watch any of it.

 

[Ross Dolan]

You tiny penis boys are not giants

 

[LV426]

Right, after the election. Your claim was that he was going to cancel the election before it happened. Quit trying to pretend your meant after the election..

Trump tweeted no less than a dozen times in the weeks leading up to the election that the election was stolen and fraudulent.

I mean, we have the Tweets, Flash, timestamped and everything...he was trying to cancel the election for weeks and months before the election even happened.

 

[LV426]

You are completely changing your original predictions. The insurrection was to try to overturn the electoral vote count. Now that he has run out of options he is not refusing to leave office and will not even attend the inauguration--he will be gone.

I haven't changed anything. Trump tried all these things before, during, and after the election to cancel it.

 

[LV426]

I am not denying anything he did. I am saying none of the things he did were the things you predicted unless you use the old "I meant to say.." crap

LMAO! None of the things I said he did were things I predicted?

Well, again, let's go through the list:

He lied about the election being stolen or fraudulent in the weeks before, the day of, and the day after the election while telling his supporters to "stop the steal", "stop the fraud", and "fight like hell"...

He threatened the GA SoS to "find votes", then he threatened him again -ON THE SAME CALL 15 MINUTES LATER- to throw certain votes out (this is all on his call with Raffepserger, which I'm guessing you haven't heard)...

He tried to get mail-in ballots thrown out before the election...

His enablers refused to certify the Electoral Vote from the states he lost...

He launched an insurrection so he could have the line of succession killed in order to stay in power...

He refuses to concede...

So here's a nice Twitter thread of all the things Trump said and did to cancel and invalidate the election...things you probably didn't know about because...well...being informed just isn't your style:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1349959286152196097