Armed Insurrections planned for 1/16-1/20

Damocles said:
LOL. This is exactly what I've been saying...
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That's not a rhetorical question.

And you've painted yourself into a rhetorical corner now because you have to either admit Trump incited the riot, or that the people who did riot went there for that express purpose.

Now, why would people who went there to riot go to the "STOP THE STEAL" rally first?
 
Legally charging him for incitement won’t happen, but he is morally responsible for promoting lies and his encouraging words.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Dude, you know as well as I do all politicians, showmen and PR assholes lie out of both sides of their mouth. I'm not a fucking lawyer, but common sense still rules my day. I hope it does everyone elses.

Again, I think Trump kinda had a funny idea about a great PR stunt and how it would rally the entire US around him, but he's a fucking moron. A two year old with a loaded pistol. He fucked up because he doesn't' comprehend results of what he's doing. You know as well as I do "he's his own man" meaning he rarely listens to anyone except the whimsy in his brain. He's an idiot with a great skill as bullshitting people.

He owns this. He's the fucking President of the United States of America. If he's not responsible, then who is? Antifa? Hillary? WTF? Common sense should rule.
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Common sense doesn't tell you that a speech that literally asked for peaceful protest at the Capitol is incitement. If he's responsible, it isn't that speech that did it, nor is it the stupid "stop the steal" chant that's been happening for months now (crap, that stuff started before the votes were counted)....
 
Flash said:
"Stop" could also mean actions taken by Congress since they were meeting to count the electoral votes.
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Then what was the point of the rally and subsequent riot?


Being at that event did not mean they intended to commit violence since most did not do so.
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How do you know that? You don't know shit, Flash. You're just making an assumption, poorly and without any research, I might add.

So if they didn't go to the rally with the intent of rioting, and if Trump didn't incite them, then why did they do what they did?
 
LV426 said:
Parsing words is pointless...it was a violent insurrection they were incited to do.

Because if you're going to argue that Trump didn't incite them, then that means they went there with the express purpose of launching an insurrection.

Otherwise, why did they violently attack the Capitol?
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The article you posted was not about the Capitol attack. It said "Armed Insurrections planned for 1/16-1/20 " But the FBI did not say insurrections.
 
Damocles said:
Common sense doesn't tell you that a speech that literally asked for peaceful protest at the Capitol is incitement. If he's responsible, it isn't that speech that did it, nor is it the stupid "stop the steal" chant that's been happening for months now (crap, that stuff started before the votes were counted)....
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Good point...the BIG LIE started a while ago, and came to a head on January 6th.

So really, what you're doing by making this argument, is putting the blame on Trump for spreading the falsehood about the election being stolen, which then in turn caused all his stupid supporters to violently riot at the Capitol.

So Trump has been inciting his base FOR MONTHS, and they finally put it into action on January 6th, like he told them to at the rally in DC, AND at the rally in Dalton two days earlier.
 
Phantasmal said:
I don’t think the Senate will convict, too many people are afraid.
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They're terrorized by terrorists. They're afraid of the terrorists. They want to negotiate with terrorists. Maybe if the rioters were Muslim, they'd be singing a different tune.
 
LV426 said:
Then what was the point of the rally and subsequent riot?

How do you know that? You don't know shit, Flash. You're just making an assumption, poorly and without any research, I might add.

So if they didn't go to the rally with the intent of rioting, and if Trump didn't incite them, then why did they do what they did?
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You always exaggerate reality and try to add drama. Some of those people probably did have the intent to riot, the other thousands of people who did not enter the Capitol may very well have intended to put pressure on Congress.

You claimed Trump would delay the election, then you said cancel the election, then you said he would refuse to leave office. None of those were true, but they intended to create overly dramatic fear.
 
Damocles said:
Common sense doesn't tell you that a speech that literally asked for peaceful protest at the Capitol is incitement. If he's responsible, it isn't that speech that did it, nor is it the stupid "stop the steal" chant that's been happening for months now (crap, that stuff started before the votes were counted)....
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And a speech that literally said the words posted previously.

Sorry, man, but I'm not a fucking lawyer or a politician. If some BLM asshole had given such a speech then pointed a mob at town hall resulting in 5 deaths and over 50 police officers injured, is there any doubt between us that you would hold that asshole responsible just like I would?
 
LV426 said:
Flash, try to follow the thread.
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The OP said

"Armed Insurrections planned for 1/16-1/20

How many JPP Conservatives are involved?

They are going to launch a terror campaign against all state houses, based on the lie about the election being stolen.

FBI: Protests allegedly planned across the nation this week
https://www.klkntv.com/fbi-protests-...ion-this-week/ "

Your headline said insurrections which is not what the story said. You have forgotten your original post which created a misleading impression.
 
Damocles said:
Common sense doesn't tell you that a speech that literally asked for peaceful protest at the Capitol is incitement. If he's responsible, it isn't that speech that did it, nor is it the stupid "stop the steal" chant that's been happening for months now (crap, that stuff started before the votes were counted)....
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"Stop the steal" shouldn't be marginalized like that.

Trump's incitement has been going on for months - even prior to the election. He has done almost nothing except for messaging that this election was STOLEN - it was rigged, and there was "massive fraud." A constant, unrelenting drumbeat.

And that repetition was parroted by politicians and pundits everywhere.

And then people wonder why so many believe the election was stolen, and why there was a riot last week. There is direct correlation here. I would only agree w/ you that it is thin legally - but there is zero question as to why these elements of our society have been stirred up and pushed to a breaking point. It's one dude.
 
BartenderElite said:
"Stop the steal" shouldn't be marginalized like that.

Trump's incitement has been going on for months - even prior to the election. He has done almost nothing except for messaging that this election was STOLEN - it was rigged, and there was "massive fraud." A constant, unrelenting drumbeat.

And that repetition was parroted by politicians and pundits everywhere.

And then people wonder why so many believe the election was stolen, and why there was a riot last week. There is direct correlation here. I would only agree w/ you that it is thin legally - but there is zero question as to why these elements of our society have been stirred up and pushed to a breaking point. It's one dude.
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Like this? https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/13/politics/capitol-riot-investigation/index.html

Evidence uncovered so far, including weapons and tactics seen on surveillance video, suggests a level of planning that has led investigators to believe the attack on the US Capitol was not just a protest that spiraled out of control, a federal law enforcement official says.

Among the evidence the FBI is examining are indications that some participants at the Trump rally at the Ellipse, outside the White House, left the event early, perhaps to retrieve items to be used in the assault on the Capitol.

A team of investigators and prosecutors are also focused on the command and control aspect of the attack, looking at travel and communications records to determine if they can build a case that is similar to a counterterrorism investigation, the official said.
 
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