Charles Blow: We Need A Second Great Migration

If you vote Democrat- PLEASE MOVE TO TEXAS AND HELP US VOTE DONALD TRUMP'S PERSONAL SHOE-SHINE BOY, DEMOCRACY KILLER, AND TRAITOR- TED CRUZ OUT OF THE SENATE!

Bring em' on!
 
Michael_Panetta said:
But I doubt that Europe will want an uneducated foreigner who doesn't speak the language and has nothing to contribute to their society. I mean, not everyone is as accepting as America is.
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I can move to Ireland or Poland presumably because of my ancestry.

Both, are looking wonderful compared to the USA, right about now.
 
archives said:
Recent results in Georgia seem to offer some credence to the author's view, it is not a new one, DuBois was arguing the same at the offset of the last Century, power came thru political means and his talent ten would start with recognized black politicians.

It would be difficult to determine if results in Georgia was due to recent migration of black voters given probably just as many nonblack people migrated at the same time, but organization among the black populace did lead to the Democrat victories

Migration is always more about economics than race, no question the Southern seemingly purple States and Arizona are due to migration, and it will continue, much to the disdain of many native residents

Read a big article on USC football in the Times yesterday (https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story/2021-01-09/clay-helton-usc-coach-football-future), seems some are enthusiastic about what lies ahead
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Since you're a New Yorker what did you think of his take on the racism in NYC? (he did say Northern Cities which encompasses much more than just NYC but since he lived there and NYC is the epicenter...) Think he's exaggerating a bit or is he accurate?
 
Michael_Panetta said:
But I doubt that Europe will want an uneducated foreigner who doesn't speak the language and has nothing to contribute to their society. I mean, not everyone is as accepting as America is.
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I have no complaints. I don't plan on moving. Do you have a point?
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Thanks. He makes some good points. My semester starts next week; I'm taking Anthropology 101. It will be interesting to look at it the way a scientist might.
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I can remember years ago hearing a few Libertarians talking about Libertarians should move to New Hampshire where they might be able to elect fellow Libertarians to local and state offices. So sort of a similar concept, get enough like minded people together to create the change you want to see.

For obvious reasons many black people have roots in the South. And I believe over half the black population in this country already lives in the South. Throw in lots of job growth and lower cost of living there seem to be a number of reasons this could have appeal to people.
 
cawacko said:
I can remember years ago hearing a few Libertarians talking about Libertarians should move to New Hampshire where they might be able to elect fellow Libertarians to local and state offices. So sort of a similar concept, get enough like minded people together to create the change you want to see.

For obvious reasons many black people have roots in the South. And I believe over half the black population in this country already lives in the South. Throw in lots of job growth and lower cost of living there seem to be a number of reasons this could have appeal to people.
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"A few days before the 22nd anniversary of the Million Man March/Holy Day of Atonement, NOI’s leader, Louis Farrakhan tweeted: “Black People: We should be more convinced that it is time for us to separate and build a nation of our own.” Farrakhan’s pronouncement, which was echoed in his anniversary speech, “Separation or Death,” was retweeted nearly 2.9K times, a number that included alt-right leaders Richard Spencer and Mike Enoch, as well as the Twitter account for Jared Taylor’s American Renaissance."

"Vincent James of the alt-right “news” organization The Red Elephants posted a fifteen-minute video on YouTube explaining why it makes sense that Spencer would reach out to Farrakhan to collaborate, because the two have “very similar rhetoric.” Whether Spencer and Farrakhan will actually meet in a public forum, as Spencer suggested, remains to be seen. "

"While it may seem strange for the likes of Louis Farrakhan and Richard Spencer to find common ground, their two groups actually overlap considerably in ideology and agenda: they’re virulently anti-Semitic and call for separate ethno-states."
https://www.adl.org/blog/nation-of-...evisit-common-ground-racism-and-anti-semitism
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It's where the Left is going too, whether that is intentional or inadvertent.
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You have two diverse groups, both based on 'race', both with a similar goal. No one wants to address it. As soon as it's brought up, people begin screaming 'racism' and run around in circles with their hair on fire. Here, Charles Blow mentions it in a 'clean and articulate manner'. So. You have a question on 'race' and Political Power.
 
Jack said:
What's wrong with moving back to Africa? They could automatically be in the Majority.
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That reminds me of an incident that happened when I was hanging out with a friend of mine who goes by the name of Chuck. This was back in the late 80's. I was visiting Chuck and hanging out with him when a couple of his friends who were Kentucky Hill Jacks came over to visit.

Somewhere along the line they started talking racist shit about blacks and one of them said "They ought to send them all back where they came from.".

Chuck just grinned when they said that and started nodding his head and said "I agree 100%. Send them all back where they came from!".

I literally fell out of my chair laughing when Chuck said that and the two Hill Jacks were like "WTF are you laughing about?"

To which I said "You morons...Chuck is a Cherokee!" LOL

The two morons looked and me and said "So what?"

Chuck proceeded to explain what he meant and they were not amused.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
That reminds me of an incident that happened when I was hanging out with a friend of mine who goes by the name of Chuck. This was back in the late 80's. I was visiting Chuck and hanging out with him when a couple of his friends who were Kentucky Hill Jacks came over to visit.

Somewhere along the line they started talking racist shit about blacks and one of them said "They ought to send them all back where they came from.".

Chuck just grinned when they said that and started nodding his head and said "I agree 100%. Send them all back where they came from!".

I literally fell out of my chair laughing when Chuck said that and the two Hill Jacks were like "WTF are you laughing about?"

To which I said "You morons...Chuck is a Cherokee!" LOL

The two morons looked and me and said "So what?"

Chuck proceeded to explain what he meant and they were not amused.
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I heard a similar story. The theme was the same. It was something about 'Niggers should be made to swim back to Africa' ... and the punch line was 'yeah, with a White Boy under each arm'.
Good Times. Racist Jokes. I guess THAT is out of the question nowadays. :(
 
cawacko said:
Since you're a New Yorker what did you think of his take on the racism in NYC? (he did say Northern Cities which encompasses much more than just NYC but since he lived there and NYC is the epicenter...) Think he's exaggerating a bit or is he accurate?
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Partially true, for decades racism in the north wasn’t as open, largely institutionalized, wasn’t as transparent, but at the same time, most of the NorthEast has always been multicultural, and has a greater acceptance of diversity. I’d argue that the racism existed, but the hate that motivated it didn’t exist to the level you’d find in the ole south

Your post is highlighting the DuBois/Washington argument, is political or economic powers the key to success. The real answer probably is both, history hasn’t really validated all of one without the other
 
cawacko said:
Interesting column from Charles Blow (a progressive black writer for the NY Times). It's really long so I just posted the link. Basic premise is black people in Northern Cities should move back to the South where they will have large numbers and be able to have far more political power.

People of all stripes have been moving to the South for years because of jobs, affordable housing and lower cost of living. I question the idea that black power and advancement comes from having more black politicians but it's a big part of what's being argued here.

(I did include one portion of the column below where he responds to the question of isn't the South more racist than the North. His answer is that its not.)






We Need a Second Great Migration

Georgia illuminates the path to Black power. It lies in the South. Follow me there.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/opinion/georgia-black-political-power.html?smid=tw-share




Others have objected: Isn’t the North just better for Black people than the South?

Many Black people are leery of the South, if not afraid of it. They still have in their minds a retrograde South: dirty and dusty, overgrown and underdeveloped, a third-world region in a first-world country. They see a region that is unenlightened and repressive, overrun by religious zealots and open racists. The caricatures have calcified: hillbillies and banjos, Confederate flags and the Ku Klux Klan.

To be sure, all of that is here. But racism is more evenly distributed across the country than we are willing to admit.

It is true that in surveys, people in the North express support for fewer racially biased ideas than those in the South, but such surveys reveal only which biases people confess to, not the ones they subconsciously possess. So I asked the researchers at Project Implicit to run an analysis of their massive data set to see if there were regional differences in pro-white or anti-Black prejudice. The result, which one of the researchers described as “slightly surprising,” was that there was almost no difference in the level of bias between white people in the South and those in the Northeast or Midwest. (The bias of white people in the West was slightly lower.)

White people outside the South are more likely to say the right words, but many possess the same bigotry. Racism is everywhere. And if that’s the case, wouldn’t you rather have some real political power to address that racism? And a yard!

For decades Northern liberals have maintained the illusion of their moral superiority to justify their lack of progress in terms of racial equality. The North’s arrogant insistence that it had no race problem, or at least a minimal one, allowed a racialized police militarism to take root. It allowed housing and education segregation to flourish in supposedly “diverse” cities. It allowed for the rise of Black ghettos and concentrated poverty as well as white flight and urban disinvestment.

The supposed egalitarianism of Northern cities is a flimsy disguise for a white supremacy that diverges from its Southern counterpart only in style, not substance.

And, while the North has been stuck in its self-righteous stasis, the savagery of the South has in some ways softened, or morphed. I am careful not to position this progress as fully redemptive or restorative. White supremacy clearly still exists here, corrupting everything from criminal justice to electoral access. The “New South” — with its thriving Black middle class and increasing political power — is still more aspiration than reality.

But the wishful idealizing of a New South is no more naïve than a willful blindness to the transgressions of the Now North. As the author Jesmyn Ward wrote in 2018 in Time about her decision to leave Stanford and move back to Mississippi, American racism is an “infinite room”: “It is the bedrock beneath the soil. Racial violence and subjugation happen on the streets of St. Louis, on the sidewalks of New York City and in the BART stations of Oakland.”

Black people have traversed this country in search of a place where the hand of oppression was lightest and the spirit of prosperity was greatest, but have had to learn a bitter lesson: Racism is everywhere.
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Hey why shouldn't they? I grew up in a enclave of people who immigrated to West Ohio from Southern Germany. For years they have set up a insular culture that is inhospitable towards non-whites and non-Catholics. I can honestly say that they are the most racist and bigoted people I've been around and I've travelled widely all over the US. The hostility and bigotry who towards non-whites, non-German Heritage and Non-Catholics is extremely virulent. Worse than anything I saw in nearly 10 years of living and traveling through out the Southeast US.

My point though is not to point out their bigotry but to point out that the fore fathers of these folks who immigrated to Western Ohio in the mid and late 19th century congregated in this region and developed their own communities did so for just exactly the same reasons that the author is proposing why Blacks are moving to the South in large numbers. Now in their defense these descendents of German Catholic Immigrants during the first half of the 20th century had to deal with a significant amount of bigotry themselves. Particularly during WWI and WWII.

So my point is all across the US there are enclaves of ethnic European communities who have done exactly what the author has described of blacks moving to the South.
 
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