Will Trump be Reelected via Electoral College or via 12th Amendment ?

[IBDaMann]

LOL the sealed envelope with certified results declaring Biden the next Potus are already under lock and key in DC.

You are still going to have to explain how Biden did not receive 306 votes that "were already cast" in a vote that "already happened.

It will be glorious to watch you himm-&-haw.

 

[Into the Night]

Yet, here are their names and all 16 cast their electoral votes for Biden and Harris. Those votes will be counted January 6.

You are a few weeks behind reality.

Nope. There are TWO slates of electors sent by GA. They have filed Contested.

 

[Into the Night]

"An unusual joint statement Tuesday by Gov. Brian Kemp, Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan and House Speaker David Ralston — all Republicans — declined calls for a special legislative session on election issues.

“Any changes to Georgia’s election laws made in a special session will not have any impact on an ongoing election and would only result in endless litigation,” the statement said.

The Georgia General Assembly is not scheduled to convene until Jan. 11 — well after the electors meet in state capitols around the country to formally vote for president on Dec. 14."

Electors don't vote on Dec 14th. That is done on Jan 6th. Even then, that may not decide the President.

 

[Into the Night]

You are so stubbornly and proudly wrong. You are corrected and obviously can't read it or understand it. Here are the procedures and facts spelled out for you.https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32717.pdf

And none of it happened.

 

[Into the Night]

I've got a better idea. Congress can just respect the results of the election

Congress cannot certify the election of any State. That is unconstitutional.

and electoral college,

There are requirements in the electoral college. If a State has not chosen its electors by Jan 6th, it abstains.

and affirm Biden's victory.

Biden hasn't won.

He can be inaugurated and be our real President for at least the next 4 years.

If the Democrat coup is successful, it won't be an inauguration. It will be a coronation. Biden won't be President. He will be Prime Minister.

But that doesn't mean all is lost for Trump. He can stay on the golf course, and people around him can just pretend he's still President. He'll never know the difference, and he doesn't do anything, anyway. He can even have a rally once in awhile.

You don't seem to see what's at stake here.

Everyone's happy.

No. Living in fascism by oligarchy is misery. The only way to restore a republic is messy and bloody.

 

[Into the Night]

Thank you. You've quoted the correct text. I have posted it here twice myself in order to demonstrate to semi literates like yourself that the outcome of the election has been decided. Let's take another look at the clause:

"The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; -- The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice."

Show us the language that empowers state legislatures to do what you say. Of course there is none, and the Vice President's only duty under the Article is to supervise the "count". He doesn't get to change the count. Joe Biden being "the person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President".

Perhaps it's your weakness with English that keeps you from realizing that the election has been decided.

RQAA

to IBD: You have accurately demonstrated the response from this twit. QED.

 

[Into the Night]

Who are those 16 people and why did they go to their state capitol on December 14 and cast 16 electoral votes for Biden?

The vote is cast on Jan 6th.

 

[Into the Night]

Not the DNC, I read the Constitution.

I have serious doubts that you really believe this stuff. I think you just want to continue arguing.

If Georgia is going to send different electors they might want to call a special session because the legislature is not even meeting until January 11.

Georgia has already sent both sets of electors.

 

[Into the Night]

None of the votes have been declared illegal--so that makes them all legal.

Fake ballots are not legal. Election fraud is not legal. They are both declared illegal by State legislatures and by the federal government.

 

[Into the Night]

Reds are so prone to believing what they want to have true, regardless of the facts , laws, and numbers. The election has been settled. We just have another embarrassment in our near future. Reds will act up again. I gave the laws and procedures that will happen. Reds say NO, they will happen like I want them to happen. And they feel like they have make a great contribution to the discussion.

You have given nothing. The Constitution, and ONLY the Constitution authorizes the laws and procedures.

 

[domer76]

YET ANOTHER cowardly moron who needs me to promise to just go away.

Fuuk you. I have no intention of leaving you alone. I fully intend to continue toying with you and your dishonest ilk.

I will still be here. You, on the other hand, being as cowardly as you are will probably flee to the hills, never to return.

Loser.

Yeah. Predictable. Just another loudmouth, lying loser.

Fucking pussy.

 

[domer76]

You are still going to have to explain how Biden did not receive 306 votes that "were already cast" in a vote that "already happened.

It will be glorious to watch you himm-&-haw.

It will be 306 votes, cunt. Weep for us

 

[martin]

Thank you. You just illustrated my point better than I could have ever stated it. For the illiterates such as yourself, I wrote "It won't help you because you suffer from the same cognitive-temporal problem that plagues all Leftists. You believe that January 6th (the future) somehow already happened on December 14th. " How do you help someone think straight who cannot distinguish the future from the past?

January 6th is the future, i.e. it hasn't happened yet. Notice how you used the present perfect "has been decided" to express something that hasn't happened yet. There is nothing I can do for you.


Quid pro quo. I posted the text that you requested. Now it's your turn to post the text from the Constitution that says State legislatures, who have full plenary power on choosing their electors, somehow lose their plenary power to choose their electors at some point prior to the date set by Congress (January 6th, which hasn't happened yet) and therefore cannot change their minds after that point and have different certificates go through required process to replace the ones they previously sent or even withdraw their certificates to abstain altogether. Until you post that text, the Constitution is very clear that State legislatures and only State legislatures have any say as to whose certificates are read on the date set by Congress (January 6th, which hasn't happened yet)

That's where we stand.


You are in heavy denial. I posted that text as well.


Notice that it is unqualified, i.e. nobody elese has any say and no one gets to assert that they ever lose such plenary power at any point, e.g. December 14th. State Legislatures decide if they change their minds, and they can change their minds at any time prior to the January 6th date established by Congress.

Perhaps it's your weakness with English that keeps you from fully grasping the concept of tense and realizing that the future hasn't happened yet.

Sorry but there is no arbitrary (as in your conception of plenary) Constitutional power vested in state legislatures to overturn a Presidential election. But since you claim there is, let's see it.

 

[Nordberg]

Sorry but there is no arbitrary (as in your conception of plenary) Constitutional power vested in state legislatures to overturn a Presidential election. But since you claim there is, let's see it.

I have provided the rules and regulations of how it works, the exact instructions and guidelines the government provides. This is another damn right-wing fantasy. Rightys just ignore the facts that conflict with their beliefs. Tump is a religion to them.

 

[martin]

I have provided the rules and regulations of how it works, the exact instructions and guidelines the government provides. This is another damn right-wing fantasy. Rightys just ignore the facts that conflict with their beliefs. Tump is a religion to them.

I've provided it too. But once an idea gets in and appeals to the weak mind of a Trumper, it's there to stay.

 

[Flash]

Georgia has already sent both sets of electors.

Were they chosen by the state legislature? Because they are not even in session until January 11.
Only one set was certified by the governor.

 

[Flash]

Those sixteen people delivered certificates, not votes. You should learn the difference. They do not become votes until they are read by the President of the Senate. Certificates can be swapped out, or simply withdrawn, at any time prior to January 6th (the date set by Congtress) by any State legislature that changes its mind.

Oh, some State legislatures have changed their minds.

Any other questions?

The certificates are the votes.

"The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President"

 

[Flash]

Nope. That's the one source you are apparently prohibited from reading for comprehension.


No you don't. You are absolutely certain that I read and understand the Constitution. You see that I quote it regularly to support every point while Leftists such as yourself simply deny, deny and deny some more.

I'm still waiting for one Leftist, any leftist at all, to post the text from the Constitution that specifies when any State Legislature somehow loses its plenary power to change its mind as to whose certificates it sends to be read on the date set by Congress.

I am still waiting.

If you really read the Constitution and understand it, then post the requested text.


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I can't answer this question since I am not a leftist. Otherwise, I would explain to you how it works (as I have in several posts).

 

[Flash]

Nope. There are TWO slates of electors sent by GA. They have filed Contested.

Only one is certified and the Georgia legislature does not meet until January 11. So, if some other body chose the phony set of electors it is unconstitutional because only state legislatures have that power.

 

[Flash]

Electors don't vote on Dec 14th. That is done on Jan 6th. Even then, that may not decide the President.

That is obviously not the way the state of Georgia understands it since they refused to call a special session to appoint different electors.