Will Trump be Reelected via Electoral College or via 12th Amendment ?

Of course you do. You're a moron submerged in denial. You have other people doing your thinking for you. We can all expect you to be confused, no matter how straightforward the subject matter.

I never said that you were going to somehow get beyond your temporal-cognitive disability. I simply pointed out that it is why you are so confused.

My thinking is based on the Constitution and state and federal laws governing the electoral college process.

You obviously have a temporal-spatial misunderstanding of how the process works; otherwise, you would be able to show us some past examples of legislators voting for electors after December 14 or which legislatures are scheduled to vote between now and January 6.


So tell me, based on what you believe about life, the universe and everything, what will be the result on January 6th?

Congress will meet and eventually approve the electoral votes as cast on December 14. There will probably be some objections by Republican House members and senators, but they will be voted down. The issue is how many objections there will be and how long it will take to debate them and vote on each one.

There is no additional state legislative votes as part of that process. If there is, perhaps you can point those out in the laws or Constitution.
 
Einstein, the state legislatures have already voted, its all over.
I'm getting the distinct impression that DNC indoctrination involves thoroughly obliterating all sense of tense.

No, January 6th has not happened yet. You need serious help.

There is nothing that can stop the inauguration of President elect Biden.
I promise to mock you,
but I don't know when ...
we're sure to have a good time then, yeah,
you know we'll have a good time then.
 
I'm getting the distinct impression that DNC indoctrination involves thoroughly obliterating all sense of tense.

No, January 6th has not happened yet. You need serious help.

We understand January 6 has not happened yet. That is when Congress will meet to count and certify the electoral votes cast on December 14.
 
My thinking is based on the Constitution
Nope. Your thinking is based on denial of the Constitution.

The Constitution grants the State legislature plenary power up until January 6th whereas you deny this. You claim that State legislatures somehow LOSE their plenary power upon the completion of some process prior to January 6th. The Constitution does not specify the loss of such plenary power at any point. You insist the State legislatures lose their plenary power on 14 December.

This is where your denial diverges from reality and why things will not go according to your delusion on January 6th.

... and state and federal laws governing the electoral college process.
Your delusion has to be deep-seated for you to believe that there can be any State or Federal law that can deprive any State legislature of its plenary power prior to January 6th.

What State or Federal law do you currently believe supercedes the Constitution? Which law specifically do you believe has nullified, say Georgia's, plenary power as of this moment? I really want to know. Which law?

Congress will meet and eventually approve the electoral votes as cast on December 14.
... then tell me what the guaranteed result will be that has already happened, which cannot possibly be any different on January 6th. Hmmm?

Well?
 
For a while it was looking like certain contested States were simply going to punt and just abstain from sending electors, thus denying either candidate the 270 electoral votes needed to win and sending the vote to the House whereby Trump would win by a lopsided 31-20 margin.

But lately, it's beginning to look like some of those contested States are going to do the right thing and flip back to Trump thus giving him the 270 electoral votes to win outright.

If I had to bet, ... I'm still not sure which path will take Trump to his second term.

.

If I didn't mention it before but Putin's puppet tRump was not elected by a legitimate electoral college in 2016 at violating U.S. Constitutional law that forbade installing known tyrants, bullies and a corrupt criminal such as tRump. The 2016 election should have been contested and those faithful electors should have done their job instead of being traitors against anything of a American nature.
 
Incorrect. Your denial is causing you to misuse words. Paperwork happens on 14 December and the vote happens on 6 January, at any point prior to which the State legislatures can change their minds ... and we will all witness this when it happens.

The 12th Amendment says that they have voted. The Electors vote on December 14th. The votes are sent to The Capitol Building where they are counted on January 6th. The legislator does not vote, but they could [possibly]choose who the Electors are... But that would be before the Electors voted on December 14th.

You need to think of a process to get the votes back from the Capitol Building, and then appoint new Electors to vote, all within less than two weeks. It does not seem Constitutional, and there is definitely not enough time.

You recognize that the decision point is 6 January, not 14 December.

As with any election, the decision point is when the votes are cast, and the point it is known is when the votes are counted. Lets say we voted on a mayor on Monday, on Tuesday the mayor announced he was a murderer, and on Wednesday they counted the votes. The decision was made on Monday, before we knew better, but there was no way to change the decision on Wednesday.
 
Thank you. You admit that you totally don't see Trump's victory on 6 January coming and that you are going to be totally "surprised." What will you say when I ask you about Biden's victory that "already happened"? Will you say that you had no idea that the vote actually doesn't happen until January 6th ... despite you having been told numerous times to no avail?

One of the two of us will be shocked by the results on January 6th, and by who is takes the Oath Of Office on January 20th.

You still have not answered my question. How does team trump get the votes back from the Capitol Building, and appoint new Electors all in 11 days? How do they get the law of what day the Electors need to cast their votes on changed? Remember that would require Congress to not just act for trump, but act quickly for trump. Do you really think Pelosi will rush through a new Electors voting date just for trump?
 
Again, the vote happens on January 6th, that is in the future and thus hasn't happened yet. You need to get your tense straight.

Not according to the Constitution
The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot
The Congress may determine the Time of chusing [sic] the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

Congress picked December 14th. You need to get that law changed.

So lets look at the steps I see you as needing to do:
1) Convince the state legislators to ask for the ballots back from the Capitol Building.
2) Convince the Congress to return the ballots.
3) Convince the Congress to set a new date for the Electors to meet.
4) Convince the Supreme Court to allow an unconstitutional ex post facto date change.
5) Convince the state legislators to appoint new Electors.
6) Make sure the new Electors vote for trump.

You need to get all this done in 11 days, in the middle of a holiday.

And at least two of those steps would require Pelosi to not just work to get trump elected, but do unbelievably hard things to get him elected. Things I would not expect her to do to get someone she supported elected.

Can you see why I am not worried? If you want me to be worried, start explaining how you could even get any of these things done.
 
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Consider.............the law and the consequences of not following it.

***************

December 26, 2020
It's for Mike Pence to Judge whether a Presidential Election Was Held at All
By Ted Noel
On January 6, a joint session of Congress will open with Vice President Pence presiding as president of the Senate. His power will be plenary and unappealable. You heard that right. As president of the Senate, every objection comes directly to him, and he can rule any objection "out of order" or "denied." His task will be to fulfill his oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States and to ensure that the laws be faithfully executed. This is a high standard of performance, and V.P. Pence will have two choices. He can roll over on "certified" electors, or he can uphold the law.

Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution gives state legislatures "plenary authority" as enunciated in Bush v. Gore. This is key, since the counting of votes is discussed in Article II, the 12th Amendment, and 3 USC 15. To this we must add the history of counting and objections recounted by Alexander Macris (here and here). Put bluntly, it's as clear as mud. Add to that the fact that the contested states of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin have sent dueling slates of electors to D.C. This means that the V.P. has to decide how he will handle the situation when two sealed envelopes are handed to him from any of those states.

Macris points out that in 1800, even with constitutional deficiencies in Georgia, Thomas Jefferson blithely counted defective electoral votes from Georgia, effectively voting himself into the presidency. This demonstrates that the president of the Senate is the final authority on any motions or objections during the vote-counting. There is no appeal. That doesn't mean there won't be any outrage. Whatever Pence does, people will be angry. But what does the law demand?

Seven contested states clearly violated their own laws. Rather than list the facts, which have been detailed in multiple articles, we must consider the following:

An election is a process of counting votes for candidates. Only valid, lawful votes may be counted. A valid lawful vote is:

Cast by an eligible, properly registered elector as prescribed by laws enacted by the state Legislature.
Cast in a timely manner, as prescribed by laws enacted by the state Legislature.
Cast in a proper form as prescribed by laws enacted by the state Legislature.
Any process that does not follow these rules is not an election. Anything that proceeds from it cannot be regarded as having any lawful import.


Most commentators suggest that a process of collecting pieces of paper with marks on them is an election regardless of errors, omissions, and even deliberate malfeasance. This is a mistake. Imagine a golf tournament where every bad shot by one player gets a do-over, but the competing player has to follow USGA rules in detail. One player gets to drop freely out of hazards, but the other has to tackle every embedded ball as it lies. The result is a travesty.

The same thing applies to elections. If there are a handful of improper votes, we can suggest that there was in fact an election, perhaps tainted, but the election wasn't materially harmed. But when the people charged with managing the election decide to ignore the law, whatever process they supervise is not the process defined by the law. Therefore, it is not an election.

This leaves V.P. Pence with a dilemma. He is a gentleman who regards our governmental traditions with a degree of reverence, so he will be reluctant to take any bold action. But as an honorable man, faced with massive illegality, he must act to protect the law. Consider how things might go down as the two closed envelopes from Georgia are handed to the V.P. Rather than opening them, he says:

In my hand are envelopes purporting to contain electoral votes from Georgia. They are competing for consideration, so it is essential that I consider the law that governs this. That law, according to the Legislature of Georgia and Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution is the Georgia statute that includes procedures for signature-matching on absentee ballots, a requirement that all absentee ballots be first requested by a legitimate voter, and that election monitors be meaningfully present at all times while votes were counted.

The Georgia secretary of state, who is not empowered by the U.S. Constitution to make changes to election law, entered into a Consent Decree that gutted these protections enacted by the Georgia Legislature. The processes that he prescribed and were ultimately followed were manifestly contrary to that law. Further, the State of Georgia, in unprecedented concert with other states, suspended counting of ballots in the middle of the night, covering its conspiracy with a false claim of a "water main break." We now know from surveillance video that many thousands of "ballots" were counted unlawfully in the absence of legally required observers.

Finally, the State of Georgia, under the authority of secretary of state Brad Raffensperger, a non-legislative actor, used fatally flawed Dominion voting machines that have been demonstrated to be unreliable. In testing, the error rate of Dominion machines has exceeded 60%, far in excess of legal limits. They are designed to facilitate fraud without creating the legally required paper trail. This alone is far more than enough to swing an election.

Since the state of Georgia has failed to follow the election law established by its legislature under Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution, it has not conducted a presidential election. Therefore, no "presidential electors" were appointed in Georgia. Further, "electors" "certified" by non-legislative actors pursuant to this process are in fact not "presidential electors." The competing slate of "electors" is similarly deficient, having not been elected through a presidential election.

Therefore, the chair rules that Georgia has not transmitted the votes of any presidential electors to this body. Georgia presents zero votes for Donald Trump and zero votes for Joseph Biden.

The central point is that the VP, as the presiding officer and final authority, has the unquestionable authority to declare that the states in question have not conducted presidential elections. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, but no one has the authority to override his decision.

The statement says nothing about who might or might not have "won" the contested states. Rather, by not following their own laws, as enacted by their own legislatures, they have violated Article II, Section 1. Thus, they have not conducted an election, and their results are void.


If the votes of all seven contested states are registered as zero, President Trump will have 232 votes, and Joe Biden will have 222. The 12th Amendment says, "[T]he votes shall then be counted[.] ... The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President[.]"

In plain language, Donald Trump will be re-elected, since he has a majority of the actual electoral votes. There will be no need to involve the House of Representatives to resolve a contingent election.

Richard Nixon chose not to contest the 1960 election because he felt that winning that way would lead to an ungovernable country. If V.P. Pence does this, that same argument might be made. But is the country governable even now? Blue states such as California, Oregon, Washington, New York, New Jersey, and Michigan are already operating in an openly lawless manner with their "emergency" "COVID-related" restrictions. Their denial of the civil rights of law-abiding citizens is horrific. Their refusal to do basic policing and law enforcement is a recipe for open war. How much worse would things be if the V.P. lived up to his oath and upheld the law?

https://www.americanthinker.com/art..._a_presidential_election_was_held_at_all.html
 
Nope. You think it has already happened, and that you KNOW the final result.

Watch.

What is January 6th's final result?

Joe Biden will receive 306 electoral votes. Trump will receive 232. This is 100% a certainty. No other outcome is possible. Wanna bet? ����
 
Consider.............the law and the consequences of not following it.

***************

December 26, 2020
It's for Mike Pence to Judge whether a Presidential Election Was Held at All
By Ted Noel
On January 6, a joint session of Congress will open with Vice President Pence presiding as president of the Senate. His power will be plenary and unappealable. You heard that right. As president of the Senate, every objection comes directly to him, and he can rule any objection "out of order" or "denied." His task will be to fulfill his oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States and to ensure that the laws be faithfully executed. This is a high standard of performance, and V.P. Pence will have two choices. He can roll over on "certified" electors, or he can uphold the law.

Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution gives state legislatures "plenary authority" as enunciated in Bush v. Gore. This is key, since the counting of votes is discussed in Article II, the 12th Amendment, and 3 USC 15. To this we must add the history of counting and objections recounted by Alexander Macris (here and here). Put bluntly, it's as clear as mud. Add to that the fact that the contested states of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin have sent dueling slates of electors to D.C. This means that the V.P. has to decide how he will handle the situation when two sealed envelopes are handed to him from any of those states.

Macris points out that in 1800, even with constitutional deficiencies in Georgia, Thomas Jefferson blithely counted defective electoral votes from Georgia, effectively voting himself into the presidency. This demonstrates that the president of the Senate is the final authority on any motions or objections during the vote-counting. There is no appeal. That doesn't mean there won't be any outrage. Whatever Pence does, people will be angry. But what does the law demand?

Seven contested states clearly violated their own laws. Rather than list the facts, which have been detailed in multiple articles, we must consider the following:

An election is a process of counting votes for candidates. Only valid, lawful votes may be counted. A valid lawful vote is:

Cast by an eligible, properly registered elector as prescribed by laws enacted by the state Legislature.
Cast in a timely manner, as prescribed by laws enacted by the state Legislature.
Cast in a proper form as prescribed by laws enacted by the state Legislature.
Any process that does not follow these rules is not an election. Anything that proceeds from it cannot be regarded as having any lawful import.


Most commentators suggest that a process of collecting pieces of paper with marks on them is an election regardless of errors, omissions, and even deliberate malfeasance. This is a mistake. Imagine a golf tournament where every bad shot by one player gets a do-over, but the competing player has to follow USGA rules in detail. One player gets to drop freely out of hazards, but the other has to tackle every embedded ball as it lies. The result is a travesty.

The same thing applies to elections. If there are a handful of improper votes, we can suggest that there was in fact an election, perhaps tainted, but the election wasn't materially harmed. But when the people charged with managing the election decide to ignore the law, whatever process they supervise is not the process defined by the law. Therefore, it is not an election.

This leaves V.P. Pence with a dilemma. He is a gentleman who regards our governmental traditions with a degree of reverence, so he will be reluctant to take any bold action. But as an honorable man, faced with massive illegality, he must act to protect the law. Consider how things might go down as the two closed envelopes from Georgia are handed to the V.P. Rather than opening them, he says:

In my hand are envelopes purporting to contain electoral votes from Georgia. They are competing for consideration, so it is essential that I consider the law that governs this. That law, according to the Legislature of Georgia and Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution is the Georgia statute that includes procedures for signature-matching on absentee ballots, a requirement that all absentee ballots be first requested by a legitimate voter, and that election monitors be meaningfully present at all times while votes were counted.

The Georgia secretary of state, who is not empowered by the U.S. Constitution to make changes to election law, entered into a Consent Decree that gutted these protections enacted by the Georgia Legislature. The processes that he prescribed and were ultimately followed were manifestly contrary to that law. Further, the State of Georgia, in unprecedented concert with other states, suspended counting of ballots in the middle of the night, covering its conspiracy with a false claim of a "water main break." We now know from surveillance video that many thousands of "ballots" were counted unlawfully in the absence of legally required observers.

Finally, the State of Georgia, under the authority of secretary of state Brad Raffensperger, a non-legislative actor, used fatally flawed Dominion voting machines that have been demonstrated to be unreliable. In testing, the error rate of Dominion machines has exceeded 60%, far in excess of legal limits. They are designed to facilitate fraud without creating the legally required paper trail. This alone is far more than enough to swing an election.

Since the state of Georgia has failed to follow the election law established by its legislature under Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution, it has not conducted a presidential election. Therefore, no "presidential electors" were appointed in Georgia. Further, "electors" "certified" by non-legislative actors pursuant to this process are in fact not "presidential electors." The competing slate of "electors" is similarly deficient, having not been elected through a presidential election.

Therefore, the chair rules that Georgia has not transmitted the votes of any presidential electors to this body. Georgia presents zero votes for Donald Trump and zero votes for Joseph Biden.

The central point is that the VP, as the presiding officer and final authority, has the unquestionable authority to declare that the states in question have not conducted presidential elections. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, but no one has the authority to override his decision.

The statement says nothing about who might or might not have "won" the contested states. Rather, by not following their own laws, as enacted by their own legislatures, they have violated Article II, Section 1. Thus, they have not conducted an election, and their results are void.


If the votes of all seven contested states are registered as zero, President Trump will have 232 votes, and Joe Biden will have 222. The 12th Amendment says, "[T]he votes shall then be counted[.] ... The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President[.]"

In plain language, Donald Trump will be re-elected, since he has a majority of the actual electoral votes. There will be no need to involve the House of Representatives to resolve a contingent election.

Richard Nixon chose not to contest the 1960 election because he felt that winning that way would lead to an ungovernable country. If V.P. Pence does this, that same argument might be made. But is the country governable even now? Blue states such as California, Oregon, Washington, New York, New Jersey, and Michigan are already operating in an openly lawless manner with their "emergency" "COVID-related" restrictions. Their denial of the civil rights of law-abiding citizens is horrific. Their refusal to do basic policing and law enforcement is a recipe for open war. How much worse would things be if the V.P. lived up to his oath and upheld the law?

https://www.americanthinker.com/art..._a_presidential_election_was_held_at_all.html

lol totally ignorant of the process, from the kraken asshattery to this :palm:
 
Because I am embarrassed to confess that I haven't supported him financially at all and I probably should have.

I have a general rule that my support does not involve money. I will give of my time and I will provide lip service but I don't hand out cash. It's just a rule.


For whom do you pretend to speak?

Well, you still can contribute and I urge to send as much money as you possibly can. Got a car? Sell it and send it to Trump. Sell your trailer home, too. Send the money to Trump.

How can you call yourself a Trump supporter if you haven't sent him money? There's no voter fraud. You're the fraud. Send him all your money now if you want him to help him execute his coup.

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Because I am embarrassed to confess that I haven't supported him financially at all and I probably should have.

I have a general rule that my support does not involve money. I will give of my time and I will provide lip service but I don't hand out cash. It's just a rule.

For whom do you pretend to speak?
Trump needs your money. It's because of people like you that he wasn't reelected. You lack faith by not giving him more than lip service.

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Nope. Your thinking is based on denial of the Constitution.

The Constitution grants the State legislature plenary power up until January 6th whereas you deny this. You claim that State legislatures somehow LOSE their plenary power upon the completion of some process prior to January 6th. The Constitution does not specify the loss of such plenary power at any point. You insist the State legislatures lose their plenary power on 14 December.

Your delusion has to be deep-seated for you to believe that there can be any State or Federal law that can deprive any State legislature of its plenary power prior to January 6th.

Nothing deprives the states of their power. The plenary power was used by each state when state law and constitution established how state electors would be chosen by popular vote, how the actual electors would be selected, whether the electors are bound to support the candidate to which they are pledged and any possible penalty.

That process has been completed using the plenary power of each state legislature under the U. S. Constitution. They do not vote again as electors have already been selected and cast their electoral vote on December 14.

"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors,"

"The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States."

What State or Federal law do you currently believe supercedes the Constitution? Which law specifically do you believe has nullified, say Georgia's, plenary power as of this moment? I really want to know. Which law?

I did not say any laws supersede the Constitution. But they can supplement or modify it. For example, Congress used its constitutional power under Article II section 4 ("the Congress may at any time by law make or alter such regulations") to require those voting for federal offices to be citizens overriding the power of states to determine voting qualifications.

Congress also passed 3 U.S. Code CHAPTER 1— PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS AND VACANCIES to delineate procedures of how the electoral votes are to be counted.


... then tell me what the guaranteed result will be that has already happened, which cannot possibly be any different on January 6th. Hmmm?

Well?

Nothing is guaranteed. However, the electoral votes cast in the individual states has been the same as the results when Congress counts the electoral votes.

On no occasion did the state legislatures vote again to choose different electors than those already cast.

If there is a dispute over the votes in a state that state has until six days before its electors meet to settle the issue. These six days are called the "safe harbor."

"The six-day period established in law has been referred to as the “Safe Harbor” requirement, in that electoral vote results certified by that date are considered to be conclusively cast.See, e.g., Bush v. Gore, 531 U.S. 98, 110-11 (2000)

We are still waiting for you to show us an example of when state legislatures voted after the electoral votes were cast in each state capitol.
 
Nope. You think it has already happened, and that you KNOW the final result.

Watch.

What is January 6th's final result?

It will be 306-232 or very close to that number and Biden will be declared president.

In 2016 the electoral votes cast in December were 304-227 and that was the final number declared by Congress.
 
It will be 306-232 or very close to that number and Biden will be declared president.

In 2016 the electoral votes cast in December were 304-227 and that was the final number declared by Congress.

Agreed. The rational accept reality, the irrational not so much.
 
Consider.............the law and the consequences of not following it.

***************

December 26, 2020
It's for Mike Pence to Judge whether a Presidential Election Was Held at All
By Ted Noel
On January 6, a joint session of Congress will open with Vice President Pence presiding as president of the Senate. His power will be plenary and unappealable. You heard that right. As president of the Senate, every objection comes directly to him, and he can rule any objection "out of order" or "denied." His task will be to fulfill his oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States and to ensure that the laws be faithfully executed. This is a high standard of performance, and V.P. Pence will have two choices. He can roll over on "certified" electors, or he can uphold the law.

Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution gives state legislatures "plenary authority" as enunciated in Bush v. Gore. This is key, since the counting of votes is discussed in Article II, the 12th Amendment, and 3 USC 15. To this we must add the history of counting and objections recounted by Alexander Macris (here and here). Put bluntly, it's as clear as mud. Add to that the fact that the contested states of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin have sent dueling slates of electors to D.C. This means that the V.P. has to decide how he will handle the situation when two sealed envelopes are handed to him from any of those states.

Macris points out that in 1800, even with constitutional deficiencies in Georgia, Thomas Jefferson blithely counted defective electoral votes from Georgia, effectively voting himself into the presidency. This demonstrates that the president of the Senate is the final authority on any motions or objections during the vote-counting. There is no appeal. That doesn't mean there won't be any outrage. Whatever Pence does, people will be angry. But what does the law demand?

Seven contested states clearly violated their own laws. Rather than list the facts, which have been detailed in multiple articles, we must consider the following:

An election is a process of counting votes for candidates. Only valid, lawful votes may be counted. A valid lawful vote is:

Cast by an eligible, properly registered elector as prescribed by laws enacted by the state Legislature.
Cast in a timely manner, as prescribed by laws enacted by the state Legislature.
Cast in a proper form as prescribed by laws enacted by the state Legislature.
Any process that does not follow these rules is not an election. Anything that proceeds from it cannot be regarded as having any lawful import.


Most commentators suggest that a process of collecting pieces of paper with marks on them is an election regardless of errors, omissions, and even deliberate malfeasance. This is a mistake. Imagine a golf tournament where every bad shot by one player gets a do-over, but the competing player has to follow USGA rules in detail. One player gets to drop freely out of hazards, but the other has to tackle every embedded ball as it lies. The result is a travesty.

The same thing applies to elections. If there are a handful of improper votes, we can suggest that there was in fact an election, perhaps tainted, but the election wasn't materially harmed. But when the people charged with managing the election decide to ignore the law, whatever process they supervise is not the process defined by the law. Therefore, it is not an election.

This leaves V.P. Pence with a dilemma. He is a gentleman who regards our governmental traditions with a degree of reverence, so he will be reluctant to take any bold action. But as an honorable man, faced with massive illegality, he must act to protect the law. Consider how things might go down as the two closed envelopes from Georgia are handed to the V.P. Rather than opening them, he says:

In my hand are envelopes purporting to contain electoral votes from Georgia. They are competing for consideration, so it is essential that I consider the law that governs this. That law, according to the Legislature of Georgia and Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution is the Georgia statute that includes procedures for signature-matching on absentee ballots, a requirement that all absentee ballots be first requested by a legitimate voter, and that election monitors be meaningfully present at all times while votes were counted.

The Georgia secretary of state, who is not empowered by the U.S. Constitution to make changes to election law, entered into a Consent Decree that gutted these protections enacted by the Georgia Legislature. The processes that he prescribed and were ultimately followed were manifestly contrary to that law. Further, the State of Georgia, in unprecedented concert with other states, suspended counting of ballots in the middle of the night, covering its conspiracy with a false claim of a "water main break." We now know from surveillance video that many thousands of "ballots" were counted unlawfully in the absence of legally required observers.

Finally, the State of Georgia, under the authority of secretary of state Brad Raffensperger, a non-legislative actor, used fatally flawed Dominion voting machines that have been demonstrated to be unreliable. In testing, the error rate of Dominion machines has exceeded 60%, far in excess of legal limits. They are designed to facilitate fraud without creating the legally required paper trail. This alone is far more than enough to swing an election.

Since the state of Georgia has failed to follow the election law established by its legislature under Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution, it has not conducted a presidential election. Therefore, no "presidential electors" were appointed in Georgia. Further, "electors" "certified" by non-legislative actors pursuant to this process are in fact not "presidential electors." The competing slate of "electors" is similarly deficient, having not been elected through a presidential election.

Therefore, the chair rules that Georgia has not transmitted the votes of any presidential electors to this body. Georgia presents zero votes for Donald Trump and zero votes for Joseph Biden.

The central point is that the VP, as the presiding officer and final authority, has the unquestionable authority to declare that the states in question have not conducted presidential elections. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, but no one has the authority to override his decision.

The statement says nothing about who might or might not have "won" the contested states. Rather, by not following their own laws, as enacted by their own legislatures, they have violated Article II, Section 1. Thus, they have not conducted an election, and their results are void.


If the votes of all seven contested states are registered as zero, President Trump will have 232 votes, and Joe Biden will have 222. The 12th Amendment says, "[T]he votes shall then be counted[.] ... The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President[.]"

In plain language, Donald Trump will be re-elected, since he has a majority of the actual electoral votes. There will be no need to involve the House of Representatives to resolve a contingent election.

Richard Nixon chose not to contest the 1960 election because he felt that winning that way would lead to an ungovernable country. If V.P. Pence does this, that same argument might be made. But is the country governable even now? Blue states such as California, Oregon, Washington, New York, New Jersey, and Michigan are already operating in an openly lawless manner with their "emergency" "COVID-related" restrictions. Their denial of the civil rights of law-abiding citizens is horrific. Their refusal to do basic policing and law enforcement is a recipe for open war. How much worse would things be if the V.P. lived up to his oath and upheld the law?

https://www.americanthinker.com/art..._a_presidential_election_was_held_at_all.html
There is only one set of certified electors for each state. The alternates aren’t certified by the state.
 
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