Why banning hate speech is counterproductve

[blackascoal]

i'll ask again. what is your plan to make it happen?

I'd say she's already addressed that.

Finding Fox guilty of spreading lies and news would have been a great place to start .. else what good is the Fourth Estate?

Information, real information, is the most effective tool Americans have to control our government.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

I'd say she's already addressed that.

Finding Fox guilty of spreading lies and news would have been a great place to start .. else what good is the Fourth Estate?

Information, real information, is the most effective tool Americans have to control our government.

So who defines what real information is? Stop being a totalitarian tool. Oh wait, you belive in the totalitarian's "drive or be driven" falsely dichotomous, evil-justifying meme.

 

[blackascoal]

So who defines what real information is? Stop being a totalitarian tool. Oh wait, you belive in the totalitarian's "drive or be driven" falsely dichotomous, evil-justifying meme.

Don't you goofies have another word to use?

I don't think any of you have the slightest clue what "totalitarianism" means.

I know what "moronic" means and anyone who defends lies and deception as news is moronic.

I does not go without notice that you skipped right past what the contrived use of disinformation disguised as news has cost this nation .. or the foolish belief that somehow, Americans will figure it out.

You'll have to pardon me .. but some things are so mindlessly stupid that it's hard to even begin to fathom that anyone would suggest that lies as news is good for America.

How do we figure out what is real information? .. We apply truth to it, just as the courts did when they determined that Fox was lying but forgave them anyway.

The premise is ridiculous.

Ever heard of the Fourth Estate?

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Don't you goofies have another word to use?

I don't think any of you have the slightest clue what "totalitarianism" means.

I know what "moronic" means and anyone who defends lies and deception as news is moronic.

I does not go without notice that you skipped right past what the contrived use of disinformation disguised as news has cost this nation .. or the foolish belief that somehow, Americans will figure it out.

You'll have to pardon me .. but some things are so mindlessly stupid that it's hard to even begin to fathom that anyone would suggest that lies as news is good for America.

How do we figure out what is real information? .. We apply truth to it, just as the courts did when they determined that Fox was lying but forgave them anyway.

The premise is ridiculous.

Ever heard of the Fourth Estate?

You want one version of truth to exist, your version. That's totalitarianism.

A safer strategy is to encourage individuals to apply their ideas of truth to multiple messages and decide for themselves. You want censorship.

 

[blackascoal]

You want one version of truth to exist, your version. That's totalitarianism.

A safer strategy is to encourage individuals to apply their ideas of truth to multiple messages and decide for themselves. You want censorship.

Again, absent of logic, you reach for the same buzzword that you don't have a clue of its definition.

Mushroom clouds in 45 minutes has an absolute to it. It is an absolute lie and ONLY .. ONLY a MORON couldn't figure of the truth of it .. but we are a nation of morons, thus, insisting that truth be told as news is protection for the American people against our own ignorance.

There are no versions of the truth.

You may well get your "version" of news and truth from the National Enquirer .. but that doesn't mean it's good for America my brother.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Again, absent of logic, you reach for the same buzzword that you don't have a clue of its definition.

Mushroom clouds in 45 minutes has an absolute to it. It is an absolute lie and ONLY .. ONLY a MORON couldn't figure of the truth of it .. but we are a nation of morons, thus, insisting that truth be told as news is protection for the American people against our own ignorance.

There are no versions of the truth.

You may well get your "version" of news and truth from the National Enquirer .. but that doesn't mean it's good for America my brother.

Now your just babbling, censorship advocater. You're a totalitarian thug.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

BAC wants a government agency to decide "what is good for america" AND "what is true".

Bad bad idea.

 

[blackascoal]

Now your just babbling, censorship advocater. You're a totalitarian thug.

And on this subject, you sir are an idiot.

I bet you think WWE wrestling is a sport.

You haven't made sense of one single thing you've said and you're advocating for the National Enquirer as news. If you can't figure out the total ignorance of that, I can't help you.

NEWSFLASH: Arabs release deadly posion gas on elementary school in Allwhite, Arizona.

Are you too delusional to reconize there are consequences, sometimes fatal consequences, for lies and deceptions as news?

Censorship?

How about STANDARDS dummy?

How about the value of the Fourth Estate in a democracy?

Are you at all familiar with the concept?

May I recommend a history 0.101 class?

 

[Sammy Jankis]

And on this subject, you sir are an idiot.

I bet you think WWE wrestling is a sport.

You haven't made sense of one single thing you've said and you're advocating for the National Enquirer as news. If you can't figure out the total ignorance of that, I can't help you.

NEWSFLASH: Arabs release deadly posion gas on elementary school in Allwhite, Arizona.

Are you too delusional to reconize there are consequences for lies and deceptions as news?

Censorship?

How about STANDARDS dummy?

How about the value of the Fourth Estate in a democracy?

Are you at all familiar with the concept?

May I recommend a history 0.101 class?

Simmer down. you advocate censorship; i do not. The fourth estate is rendered neuter when you have a government Ministry Of Truth.

 

[blackascoal]

BAC wants a government agency to decide "what is good for america" AND "what is true".

Bad bad idea.

You goofies are full of buzzwords that trigger your Matrix programming.

"Government"

ooooo, scary

 

[evince]

My plan to make that happen is to let everyone say what they wish. The truth will prevail because it is more logical. If the government tries to clamp down on "lies", it will inevitably clamp down on truth as well.

And also Desh, banning bad newsmedia is simply counterproductive to spreading the truth anyway. They would get massive popular windfall, and they would come into power and revoke any regulations you pass anyway. You know this as well as I. It's not good for the interests of freedom, and if you disregard that, it's just not a good practical idea either. We have to prove that we're above that, we have to prove that we speak the truth and don't require government force to back that claim up.

If you bothered to read what I suggested then you would nto claim I wanted anything banned.

If they are legally not supposed to knowingly lie then to get the LABEL of news they would have to not knowingly lie like Fox news did in the case of Florida couple who were reporters TOLD to lie about their story on cows and hormones in the milk. The reporters refused to lie and were fired and then sued Fox news. They then lost a court case because Fox successfully argued news cna lie all they want.

If they lost their NEWS label then they could continue to broad cast but would not be alowed to call it news. No one is banned or shut up but people could SEE they were not allowed to be called news anymore.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

If you bothered to read what I suggested then you would nto claim I wanted anything banned.

If they are legally not supposed to knowingly lie then to get the LABEL of news they would have to not knowingly lie like Fox news did in the case of Florida couple who were reporters TOLD to lie about their story on cows and hormones in the milk. The reporters refused to lie and were fired and then sued Fox news. They then lost a court case because Fox successfully argued news cna lie all they want.

If they lost their NEWS label then they could continue to broad cast but would not be alowed to call it news. No one is banned or shut up but people could SEE they were not allowed to be called news anymore.

The actualy solution is that you should consider that even "news" might be lies.

 

[evince]

But at least you can sue them and win if they fire you fror not lying for them.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

But at least you can sue them and win if they fire you fror not lying for them.

That court decision was bogus, I have to agree with you on that one.

 

[evince]

That is like the only non insane thing I have ever seen you say.

 

[blackascoal]

Simmer down. you advocate censorship; i do not. The fourth estate is rendered neuter when you have a government Ministry Of Truth.

"government Ministry of Truth"

You mean like the FCC you dummy?

The FCC, which has existed in America since 1934 .. censorship is what they do?

Are you also in favor of removing the "censorship" for truth in advertising, product information, and drug promotion as well? After all, "truth" is just too hard to define.

Your argument is stupid brother.

Take the test .. tell me how removing "censorship" from this site and allowing hate speech would be beneficial to the conversations or this site?

 

[Sammy Jankis]

"government Ministry of Truth"

You mean like the FCC you dummy?

The FCC, which has existed in America since 1934 .. censorship is what they do?

Are you also in favor of removing the "censorship" for truth in advertising, product information, and drug promotion as well? After all, "truth" is just too hard to define.

Your argument is stupid brother.

Take the test .. tell me how removing "censorship" from this site and allowing hate speech would be beneficial to the conversations or this site?

Hate speech is allowed here. Half the shit I say is considered hate speech by many.

As for your other strawmen and absurditites, I shan't address them.

 

[blackascoal]

If you bothered to read what I suggested then you would nto claim I wanted anything banned.

If they are legally not supposed to knowingly lie then to get the LABEL of news they would have to not knowingly lie like Fox news did in the case of Florida couple who were reporters TOLD to lie about their story on cows and hormones in the milk. The reporters refused to lie and were fired and then sued Fox news. They then lost a court case because Fox successfully argued news cna lie all they want.

If they lost their NEWS label then they could continue to broad cast but would not be alowed to call it news. No one is banned or shut up but people could SEE they were not allowed to be called news anymore.

Just as pro wrestling cannot call itself a sport.

It can broiadcast just fina as entertainment, but a sport it ain't.

No differently than what Faux News is .. entertainment for people who don't like news.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Pointing out christian theocracy = enlightened

pointing out jewish theocrcay = hate


saying blacks should be proud = enlightened

saying whites should be proud = hate

 

[evince]

Dont bother too much with him Bac, hes some kid who hates everthing and has no idea how to present his ideas without making them sound like utter insane rantings.