Somebody name one

[Iolo/Penderyn]

What I think that what matters, whatever the name favoured by the political system, is whether, at a push, it responds to strong popular opinion. I, for instance, live in what is technically a part of a monarchy, previously a colony, then a part of a foreign country, and now being allowed some degree of local democracy through our Senedd, but in fact, the English Government does tend to listen at a push and has done since the late Eighteenth Century at least. I think the formal noises we use don't really matter that much.

 

[CFM]

Local elections are.

If you're electing someone, that's not direct democracy regardless of the level. Direct democracy involves making policy or law where all those voting have a say. For example, my State has a ballot measure in 2018 where the voters had the choice whether or not to amend the State's Constitution to make the Supt. of Education an appointed rather than elected position. All voters that took part in their civic duty had a say in changing policy.

 

[Old Trapper]

Lie. Antifa is an organization.

Then you can cite who are their leaders, where they are located, any address, phone numbers, etc., or you can continue to repeat the lie based on your own ignorance, and willingness to remain stupid.

Right wingers are the only group I know of that take pride in being stupid.

 

[martin]

I'm sure you'll provide some proof of your claimed education (i.e. - a diploma, school records) and verification they are yours.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_...d,specific upcoming legislation or regulation.

I've provided a description of a town hall meeting. It clearly states, and I quote from the last sentence in paragraph three, "attendees do not vote on issues during town hall meetings".

See if you can figure out your mistake. Surely, someone with as an extensive education as you claim to have will be able to find where he fucked up.

At least Earl thanked you for your ignorant post. If you had bothered to read your link you might have understood what it said, but I doubt it:

"Attendees use town halls to voice their opinions and question elected officials, political candidates, and public figures.[3][4] In contrast to town meetings, a type of direct democratic rule that originated in colonial New England,[5] attendees do not vote on issues during town hall meetings."

A member's education comes through in his written posts or, as in your case, an absence of education comes through. Town meetings of the kind just described are often held at the Town Hall. I've attended many myself.

 

[martin]

Pay attention, Marty.

“The difference between a constitutional republic and a democracy

The USA has been a Constitutional Republic since 1789: “A continual republic is a state in which the head of state and other officials are representatives of the people and must govern within an existing constitution. In a constitutional republic, executive, legislative, and judicial powers are separate into distinct branches.”

There is a difference between a constitutional republic and a democracy. A “democracy is run by people and republic is run by the laws of constitution.”

A Constitutional Republic is a system of laws to protect citizens and contain government. Tyranny of Democracy is not an idle statement. 51.1 percent may force it’s will on 49.9 percent in a Democracy! This is on display in the House of Representative’s current impeachment dealings, which are controlled by a Democratic majority.

Each has taken the United States Senate’s Oath of Office: “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.”

Former Vice-president and Senator Joe Biden: “No ordinary American cares about Constitutional rights.” President Obama has not seen fit to support his former Vice-president in 2020.

Senator Bernie Sanders: “Social Security has nothing to do with the deficit. July 12, 2019...Senator Bernie Sanders affirms his support for abolishing the Electoral College during a presidential town hall.” Note: His last honeymoon was taken in Russia by choice.

Senator Elizabeth Warren: “Having an abortion is no different than having one’s tonsils removed. I plan to be the last American president to be elected by the Electoral College.” It took a DNA test for her to find out she was white.

It is clear that swearing an oath of office means little to these seekers of the Democratic presidential nomination. The Constitution, which is the prime law of the land, which they swore an oath to defend means less.

The elimination of the nations Constitutional Republic’s Electoral College would allow 144 counties with half the population, to override the will of over 3,000 counties with the balance of the voters. LA County has more voters than most western states.

Think about this, before a vote is given to a socialist democrat in the general election of 2020.”
http://www.mississippivalleypublish...cle_e87457a6-f105-593c-9486-2a15413f3bbc.html

For a guy who seems to spend most of his life at a political debate board you have a serious gap in your learning.

Look up "representative democracy". It's a simple concept. A word of advice, be a little careful about the posters on whom you heap thanks day in and day out. Most of them
would fail a high school American history test.

 

[martin]

That idiot claimed a town hall meeting was a form of direct democracy. He was informed otherwise and has yet to be heard from since.

Yeah, I have life which includes work. You might try it some time.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Then you can cite who are their leaders, where they are located, any address, phone numbers, etc., or you can continue to repeat the lie based on your own ignorance, and willingness to remain stupid.

Right wingers are the only group I know of that take pride in being stupid.

Antifa is a distributed network of groups without a central leadership. They coordinate their efforts through sites like these:

https://itsgoingdown.org/
https://flowerunited.org/

There are Antifa chapters all across the US and worldwide. Here's a sample of the US ones:

https://www.rosecityantifa.org/
https://antifasevenhills.noblogs.org/
https://antifa7hills.blackblogs.org/
https://www.facebook.com/emeraldcityantifa
https://antifadallas.wordpress.com/

Want more? There's plenty of other local chapter sites available.

A detailed analysis of Antifa.

https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/organizations/antifa/

The Torch Network lists many Antifa chapters in a central location:

https://torchantifa.org/chapters/

Their purpose as stated on their webpage is:

Chapters are autonomous organizing bodies that agree to the 5 points of the Torch Network. They may call themselves whatever they want, and can organize the best way they see fit. We work together to confront fascism and oppression. Below are a list of chapters within the Torch network.

That describes a distributed network.

Antifa avoids having a identifiable hierarchy of leadership and management to avoid law enforcement infiltration and prosecution of that leadership. That's why they use the distributed network model. None of that changes that Antifa worldwide has upwards of hundreds of thousands of members in hundreds or thousands of chapters that coordinate their actions through the use of the internet and computers. This is no different than many other terrorist and violent groups do. Al Qaeda did / does that. ISIS does it.

Thus, your claims about Antifa are completely erroneous and even laughably wrong.

 

[Wolverine]

There are none. But there are Fascist groups, like the Proud Boys, that Trump won't condemn.

Patriotic Amercans of every stripe in that group, fighting against the Socialists

 

[Old Trapper]

Patriotic Amercans of every stripe in that group, fighting against the Socialists

The vast majority are like trump, and his cowardly stripe. Without their guns to face down unarmed protesters that would be NOTHING.

 

[Wolverine]

The vast majority are like trump, and his cowardly stripe. Without their guns to face down unarmed protesters that would be NOTHING.

Patriotic Americans fighting the Socialists like you Old Yapper! Just like a stupid socialist to bring a manufactured sign to a gun fight!

 

[Old Trapper]

Antifa is a distributed network of groups without a central leadership.

This was already established.

Antifa avoids having a identifiable hierarchy of leadership and management to avoid law enforcement infiltration and prosecution of that leadership. That's why they use the distributed network model. None of that changes that Antifa worldwide has upwards of hundreds of thousands of members in hundreds or thousands of chapters that coordinate their actions through the use of the internet and computers. This is no different than many other terrorist and violent groups do. Al Qaeda did / does that. ISIS does it.

Thus, your claims about Antifa are completely erroneous and even laughably wrong.

This is a joke, right? You want to use a fake news website to support your argument of numerous left wing terrorists groups while only addressing one that , in your low IQ 'opinion' is a terrorist group. And in that 'opinion' is some kind of fantasy that anyone who opposes fascism, racism, or social injustice, is a 'terrorist'.

Do yourself a favor, and go to your website, and do a search for Proud Boys, or Patriots Prayer, two well known domestic terrorist groups, and see what you get.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/discover-the-networks/

 

[Into the Night]

So we are like The People's Republic of China?

China is not a republic. It is an oligarchy.

The former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics?

The USSR was not a republic. It was an oligarchy.

A republic is simply a national government other than a monarchy.

No. A republic is government by constitution. It doesn't matter what some nation calls itself.

The term does describe the manner in which the government achieves legitimacy.

No, it doesn't.

The United States is both a republic and a representative democracy.

There is no such thing as 'representative democracy'. There is no constitution in a democracy. A democracy is not a republic.

There are also examples of direct democracy in the U.S., i.e. town hall meetings in hundreds of rural communities.

Town hall meetings in the U.S. is not a democracy. They are held according the constitution of that State (and town). it is simply a meeting held in a republic according to the constitution of that republic.

 

[Into the Night]

I have an extensive education.

Ah. That's your problem, is it? You're a college educated idiot.

You could use a dictionary, assuming you have the wit to know how.

Dictionaries do not define any word. No dictionary owns any word. Semantics fallacy.

When residents of a town vote on the annual budget, which usually happens at the Town Hall, that is direct democracy.

No. Town hall meetings are held in accordance with the constitution of that town, county, State, and Constitution of the United States. It is not a democracy. Democracies have no constitution.

Members of The United States Congress and The President, because they owe their offices to the citizen voters who elect them, also governors and state legislators, are products of representative democracy.

There is no such thing as 'representative democracy'. Democracies have no officers or representatives. They have no constitution.

Most Americans learn this by the sixth grade.

Argument from randU fallacy. Bigotry. You don't get to speak for most Americans. You only get to speak for you. Any school teaching that the United States is a democracy is teaching a falsehood.

The United States is organized as a federated republic.

 

[Into the Night]

I'm sure you'll provide some proof of your claimed education (i.e. - a diploma, school records) and verification they are yours.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_...d,specific upcoming legislation or regulation.

I've provided a description of a town hall meeting. It clearly states, and I quote from the last sentence in paragraph three, "attendees do not vote on issues during town hall meetings".

See if you can figure out your mistake. Surely, someone with as an extensive education as you claim to have will be able to find where he fucked up.

Actually, town hall meetings can and do take votes. It is the method of voting in that town when used that way. Voting is simply a show of hands or paper ballots, with a clerk recording the vote, just like the way a legislature or Congress does it.

In between town meetings, the officers elected by such voting (the mayor, the town council, whatever, according to that town's constitution (also known as the town or city charter) which creates these offices and describes what authority they have, conduct day to day affairs. They might even call another town meeting to get a public opinion (a vote), if they have been given authority to do so by the town charter.

Quite a few towns in their early days operated like this. It was not a democracy, it was a republic.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

This was already established.



This is a joke, right? You want to use a fake news website to support your argument of numerous left wing terrorists groups while only addressing one that , in your low IQ 'opinion' is a terrorist group. And in that 'opinion' is some kind of fantasy that anyone who opposes fascism, racism, or social injustice, is a 'terrorist'.

Do yourself a favor, and go to your website, and do a search for Proud Boys, or Patriots Prayer, two well known domestic terrorist groups, and see what you get.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/discover-the-networks/

Discover the networks isn't a news site. Aside from your ad hominem against them, followed by red herrings, what in my earlier post is incorrect or wrong? Most of it uses actual Antifa run sites. Discover the networks is mentioned once out of over a dozen sources on it. You use a cherry picking fallacy as an ad hominem to try to discredit the whole post. Won't fly for a second. Try actually refuting what I stated using some facts and reasoning instead.

So far, you have repeatedly claimed Antifa is only an idea on the internet. I, among others, have deluged you with facts and reasoned arguments that prove your claim TOTALLY BOGUS AND WRONG. Yet, when so confronted, all you do in rebuttal is use insults and whataboutisms to deflect from those claims. It's time you either put up or shut up. Show us some actual facts to back your claims and argument. Otherwise, you have nothing and are wrong.

 

[Into the Night]

Local elections are.

Local elections are not democracy. The offices such elections fill are created by a constitution. The election itself is carried in accordance with a constitution. Such elections are a republic.

 

[Into the Night]

If you're electing someone, that's not direct democracy regardless of the level. Direct democracy involves making policy or law where all those voting have a say. For example, my State has a ballot measure in 2018 where the voters had the choice whether or not to amend the State's Constitution to make the Supt. of Education an appointed rather than elected position. All voters that took part in their civic duty had a say in changing policy.

The term 'direct democracy' is redundant. Democracy by it's nature is 'direct', that is, government by people. There are no officers, there are no representatives, there is no constitution, there is just rule by mob. It is an unstable form of government. It quickly dissolves into a dictatorship or oligarchy in most cases as one faction gains control.

There are currently no democracies anywhere on Earth.

 

[CFM]

Actually, town hall meetings can and do take votes. It is the method of voting in that town when used that way. Voting is simply a show of hands or paper ballots, with a clerk recording the vote, just like the way a legislature or Congress does it.

In between town meetings, the officers elected by such voting (the mayor, the town council, whatever, according to that town's constitution (also known as the town or city charter) which creates these offices and describes what authority they have, conduct day to day affairs. They might even call another town meeting to get a public opinion (a vote), if they have been given authority to do so by the town charter.

Quite a few towns in their early days operated like this. It was not a democracy, it was a republic.

What you're describing is called a town meeting. Votes on local issues are taken there on local matters like budgets.

You're confusing it will a town hall meeting where politicians meet with constituents to discuss issues, answer questions, etc. No voting takes place on policy issues.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_meeting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_hall_meeting

 

[CFM]

The term 'direct democracy' is redundant. Democracy by it's nature is 'direct', that is, government by people. There are no officers, there are no representatives, there is no constitution, there is just rule by mob. It is an unstable form of government. It quickly dissolves into a dictatorship or oligarchy in most cases as one faction gains control.

There are currently no democracies anywhere on Earth.

Not when contrasted with representative democracies.

 

[Into the Night]

Then you can cite who are their leaders, where they are located, any address, phone numbers, etc., or you can continue to repeat the lie based on your own ignorance, and willingness to remain stupid.

Right wingers are the only group I know of that take pride in being stupid.

Criminal organizations do not publish their address or phone number, dumbass.