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Using a nuclear bomb to swat a mosquito in the middle of New York City.
New World Order: Happening Now!
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Using a nuclear bomb to swat a mosquito in the middle of New York City.
Sammy Jankis
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But this article is about the planned collapse of the banking system, and the impact of an economy shifted from market competition to government fiat, and the resultant losses of freedom.
Minister of Truth
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Code for racism.
Sammy Jankis
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You oaf. Protectionism has nothing to do with race. Americans of all races benefit when they are kept in the loop of commerce, instead of abandoned in preference for slave labor.
Sammy Jankis
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Minister of Truth
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Sammy Jankis
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Wow, freaky!
We're deeply connected. I luv u, 3d.
blackascoal
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Naomi Klein: The Shock Doctrine.
Most important reading in the last century .. particularly now.
Most important reading in the last century .. particularly now.
Sammy Jankis
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I checked out her site. SHe's the bomb.
How would you apply it to ensure that it doesn't, as it did in 1929, increase a bad recession into a depression?
Before you get all hyper-emotive and try to say something inane, I'm not arguing against it. I think taking an America-first approach is a good idea. I just wonder how you would apply them without shooting yourself in the face to scratch an itch.
Sammy Jankis
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I don't believe our economy now is similar enough to the economy then to have much relevance.
True, it would be even more impactful to have a nation hike tariffs on American produced products when we produce so much less than we used to.
In 1929 they tried tariffs and had to remove them, but the result was still devastating.
I'm not against protectionism, but I am against doing it in a way that will be so negatively impacting. My question was basically whether you had a different way that would result in increased incentive to purchase American goods here and to begin again producing, without causing a worse problem.
Sammy Jankis
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I don't buy any of your analysis relating to protectionism and the depression.
Basically people have no money to spend, so buying american is a moot point.
We also need to stop evaluating our economy according to a fascist analysis paradigm. We considered the economy great, right up until the point it was the worst economy in 40 yrs. Somethings wrong there.
DamnYankee
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The big problem here is that the dollar isn't tied into anything. It used to be based loosely on real property but that got overinflated with the Fannie Mae thing. Now the government is simply printing money and redistributing it to the low classes (to buy votes) and government programs (to build dependency). This things going to corkscrew into a huge depression.
Sammy Jankis
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Distributing to the low classes? What about the banker bailouts? Are they low class?
But I do agree this will only get worse unless we reverse our ideology on "globalization". Destroying america is actually the point of globalization.
So, basically you are saying that tariffs are what you would implement and no other idea could possibly be effective.
We've already seen the negative impact that tariffs brought during a worldwide economic crisis. I'd prefer setting positive rather than negative policy. Give some tax breaks for new production, for instance rather than hike taxes on goods people already "don't have money for."
Sammy Jankis
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Basically Im not saying that. And again, I reject your analysis of protectionism and the great depression. Last I heard it was caused by a speculative bubble and a bust on wallstreet. It's only at revisionist internationalist fascist think tanks that they're rewriting history.
Sammy Jankis
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We would be helped immensely by just limiting our trading partners to those with a similar attitude to human rights and humane treatment.
A free person can never compete with a wage slave living in a corporate complex and paid pennies a day. Business needs to conducted within an overarching moral framework, just like all of life.
A free person can never compete with a wage slave living in a corporate complex and paid pennies a day. Business needs to conducted within an overarching moral framework, just like all of life.
You don't have to rewrite history, you just need to read it.
It really has nothing to do with my "analysis". We put tariffs on something, they retaliated with tariffs and the consumer hurt for it. It was quite tit for tat and easy to follow, no special degrees or even skill is necessary.
Once again, tariffs are not the sole policy that can be "protectionist".
Put an end to illegal immigration, that would be "protectionist" and one we could agree on. Incentivize new production. We have to be able to obtain the product in order to be able to use it. Tariffs simply will put too much out of reach if we don't have any production of our own for the product, which is too often the case.
Whether you like my "analysis" or not it is what happened. What brought us out of the Great Depression was production and great incentive to produce. While I don't advocate entering a World War and turning our production to war machines, I do certainly advocate incentivizing new production in the US so we can institute "protectionism" without causing our own downfall.
As for whether any of this will be implemented. Illegal Immigration? Doubt it. New production? I certainly hope so.
Sammy Jankis
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But the depression was caused by a speculative wallstreet bubble and collapse. I understand the trade war scenario abstractly, I just don't think it applies much to the depression, as a causal factor.
You said that before? Oh well. I agree with that. And I would support any measure which would support the american worker, limiting immigration, limiting trade partners to those who have a similar concept of individual rights, and humane treatment.
Wasn''t the the depression caused by a wallstreet bubble and bust? is that down the memory hole now?