You really don't understand the game-changing nature of 2 bombs inside of 2 seconds doing all the damage of thousands upon thousands of bombs rained down over months?
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You really don't understand the game-changing nature of 2 bombs inside of 2 seconds doing all the damage of thousands upon thousands of bombs rained down over months?
T. A. Gardner
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It wasn't a game changer. It was just more efficient than conventional bombing. On the other hand, thermonuclear devices were a game changer. These could wipe out large areas of population and sprawling cities with a single bomb.
500 B-29 flying missions with conventional bombs could match the destructive power of a Nagasaki or Hiroshima bomb in three or four missions against a city. On the other hand, it would take 1000 Hiroshima bombs to match the destructive power of a single 20 megaton thermonuclear bomb. That's a game changer.
Yeah. It's about killing people. Usually involving the Worker Drone Class of one Group and the Worker Drone Class of another Group.
Notice how vaporizing two Japanese Cities brought the War to an End without having to send American Soldiers onto the Home Islands and fighting hand to hand?
Please. We were never going to invade japan.
And murdering civilians wantonly was never the ordinary course of war until WW2. Yes, the Germans and Japanese started it, but the US perfected it. We own that.
Literally every historian disagrees with you, but okay. Bombing Nagasaki and Hiroshima was meant to send a big message to the Soviets, and set the tone for the ensuing Cold War.
According to you, that never happened.
Lol
Sure. We were never going to invade Germany either.
Anvil Kasseri
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Had Japan continued to refuse to surrender, we were going to invade Japan.
Attacks on military targets are not murder.
We did hope that our possession of atomic weapons might make the Soviets start behaving, but bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki was primarily about sending a big message to Japan.
The red army had invaded Manchuria and japan’s surrender was imminent, with or without the two bombings. The outcome we didn’t want was the soviets accepting japan’s surrender and occupying japan. It had nothing to do with ending the war, and no one seriously thought it would come to a Japanese invasion.
Jerome. I want you to stop talking to me. I feel I'm becoming more stupider than I already am listening to you. (Thanks in advance)
No.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not bases. They were cities. With people, homes, schools and hospitals. Dumbfuck.
You’re utterly clueless and childishly naive if you think the primary aim wasn’t sending a message to Stalin.
Your own stupidity is clearly your problem.
Tell us again how Tokyo was never bombed, dumbfuck.
Anvil Kasseri
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That's easy enough to say from hindsight. But it was not so clear to people back in 1945.
It was reasonable for us to not want that, but this desire really wasn't much of a factor in anything.
The A-bombs were dropped with the goal of forcing Japan to surrender.
No one knew what it would take to make Japan surrender, and everyone was readying for the invasion.
Had Japan continued to refuse to surrender, we were going to invade.
Hiroshima held tens of thousands of Japanese soldiers awaiting deployment to resist our invasion of Kyushu.
Hiroshima also held the military headquarters in charge of repelling our invasion of Kyushu.
Kokura Arsenal (the intended target of the second A-bomb) was a massive (4100 feet by 2000 feet) machine gun factory. It was one of Japan's main sources of light machine guns, heavy machine guns, and 20mm anti-aircraft machine guns, as well as ammo for all of those machine guns.
The Mitsubishi Steel and Arms Works (destroyed by the second A-bomb) produced steel for Japan's war industry and used some of that steel to produce 100 naval torpedoes a month.
The Mitsubishi-Urakami Ordnance Plant (destroyed by the second A-bomb) produced 400 aerial torpedoes a month.
Pearl Harbor had been thought immune to air-dropped torpedoes because the harbor was so shallow that an air-dropped torpedo would hit bottom and embed in the mud. Aside from Tokyo Bay, Pearl Harbor was the only place in the world with such natural defenses against air-dropped torpedoes. Japan had to develop special torpedo technology designed just for Pearl Harbor in order to attack us. The Mitsubishi-Urakami Ordnance Plant was the place that designed and built those torpedoes.
Here's a picture of the Mitsubishi Urakami Ordnance Plant after the A-bomb:
https://www.osti.gov/opennet/manhattan-project-history/images/mitsubishi_image.htm
I am quite well informed. You are just wrong.
The only goal of dropping the atomic bombs was to force Japan to surrender.
BartenderElite
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You either think that civilians should be targeted in war, or that they shouldn't be.
Targeting civilians and using nukes will ALWAYS end a conflict earlier, and generally save more American lives. If that's your justification, you can pull that out of your pocket any ol' time.
Targeting civilians and using nukes will ALWAYS end a conflict earlier, and generally save more American lives. If that's your justification, you can pull that out of your pocket any ol' time.
Anvil Kasseri
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The atomic bombs were dropped on military targets.
Anvil Kasseri
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The idea that the reason why we bomb countries that we are at war with is because we want to force them to surrender is actually pretty straightforward.
Airstrip One
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The only act of cowardice was the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor.
T. A. Gardner
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Where did I say that? The ad hominem aside, the Soviets already knew we had an atomic weapon. Truman also had also dropped hints to Stalin we had a nuclear weapon at the Yalta conference. The atomic bomb was meant to force a Japanese surrender. Mining of every harbor in Japan and sinking every bit of surface traffic in the Sea of Japan was to force Japan's surrender. The planned invasion was to force Japan's surrender.
The Cold War was set by Stalin closing off the borders to Eastern Europe, reneging on his promise to hold open and free elections in Eastern European countries, and doing next to nothing to demobilize his military once the war ended. Toss in the blockade of Berlin, and other overt acts by the Soviets / Stalin to antagonize the West, and you get the Cold War.