Using common sense, what is the difference between cooperation and collusion?

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Collusion[ kuh-loo-zhuhn ]

noun

- a secret agreement, especially for fraudulent or treacherous purposes; conspiracy:

- Law. a secret understanding between two or more persons to gain something illegally, to defraud another of his or her rights, or to appear as adversaries though in agreement

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The GOP Senate investigation confirmed Manafort met several times with Russian agents to exchange campaign data and strategy, that the two “cooperated” to defeat Clinton and elect Trump.

According to the right, Bill Clinton meeting Loretta Lynch on an airport tarmac is collusion, or foreign nations contributing to the Clinton Foundation is collusion, beyond collusion, a whole series of colluding conspiracies, but applying their logic, how is Trump’s campaign manager directly cooperating with Russians not collusion?

If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, it ain’t an elephant, regardless of what billy barr propagandizes
 
archives said:
Collusion[ kuh-loo-zhuhn ]

noun

- a secret agreement, especially for fraudulent or treacherous purposes; conspiracy:

- Law. a secret understanding between two or more persons to gain something illegally, to defraud another of his or her rights, or to appear as adversaries though in agreement

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/collusion

The GOP Senate investigation confirmed Manafort met several times with Russian agents to exchange campaign data and strategy, that the two “cooperated” to defeat Clinton and elect Trump.

According to the right, Bill Clinton meeting Loretta Lynch on an airport tarmac is collusion, or foreign nations contributing to the Clinton Foundation is collusion, beyond collusion, a whole series of colluding conspiracies, but applying their logic, how is Trump’s campaign manager directly cooperating with Russians not collusion?

If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, it ain’t an elephant, regardless of what billy barr propagandizes
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In our system of government the President of the United States can only be impeached and removed from office. No crime can be prosecuted.
 
INTEL report was trash. it characterizes Konstantin Kilimnik as a "Russian operative"

he was a State Dept source instead, and worked for the Ukraine's Party of Regions
 
I think the element that was missing in the Mueller report is the third 'C'. Coordination. They couldn't find evidence of a coordinated effort, just Trump 'suggesting' things in the press, the Russians responding, and Trump using the information he got. Is this unethical, antithetic to our free election system, and bad for the country? Of course. Should he have been impeached and removed from office for this? IMHO yes. But is it a crime? I'll leave that to smarter legal minds, but the bottom line is that this isn't a binary question. Russia interfered. Trump suggested in public that they SHOULD interfere, and had advance knowledge of Russian actions. How the Trumptards can defend that is beyond me.
 
Concart said:
I think the element that was missing in the Mueller report is the third 'C'. Coordination. They couldn't find evidence of a coordinated effort, just Trump 'suggesting' things in the press, the Russians responding, and Trump using the information he got. Is this unethical, antithetic to our free election system, and bad for the country? Of course. Should he have been impeached and removed from office for this? IMHO yes. But is it a crime? I'll leave that to smarter legal minds, but the bottom line is that this isn't a binary question. Russia interfered. Trump suggested in public that they SHOULD interfere, and had advance knowledge of Russian actions. How the Trumptards can defend that is beyond me.
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Mueller showed the close association of Trump with the Russians. Congress should have immediately impeached Trump.
 
Concart said:
I think the element that was missing in the Mueller report is the third 'C'. Coordination. They couldn't find evidence of a coordinated effort, just Trump 'suggesting' things in the press, the Russians responding, and Trump using the information he got. Is this unethical, antithetic to our free election system, and bad for the country? Of course. Should he have been impeached and removed from office for this? IMHO yes. But is it a crime? I'll leave that to smarter legal minds, but the bottom line is that this isn't a binary question. Russia interfered. Trump suggested in public that they SHOULD interfere, and had advance knowledge of Russian actions. How the Trumptards can defend that is beyond me.
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nope WIKILEAKS did not coordinate with Stone either. there is nothing there except your TDS.
Russian interference is trash as well

Mueller’s Own Report Undercuts Its Core Russia-Meddling Claims
https://www.realclearinvestigations...ndercuts_its_core_russia-meddling_claims.html
 
jacksonsprat22 said:
In our system of government the President of the United States can only be impeached and removed from office. No crime can be prosecuted.
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No President with a billy barr as the head of their Justice Dept will ever be prosecuted, but that is besides the point, common sense reigns here, everyone knows, especially those in DC with access to information, Trump is guilty, kinda like OJ, legally he was acquitted, but there aren’t many who think he didn’t do it
 
archives said:
No President with a billy barr as the head of their Justice Dept will ever be prosecuted, but that is besides the point, common sense reigns here, everyone knows, especially those in DC with access to information, Trump is guilty, kinda like OJ, legally he was acquitted, but there aren’t many who think he didn’t do it
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Sure. Where does common sense lead to? Same place we are now. Nowhere.
 
anatta said:
INTEL report was trash. it characterizes Konstantin Kilimnik as a "Russian operative"

he was a State Dept source instead, and worked for the Ukraine's Party of Regions
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So you are saying that the majority of GOP Senators sitting on that Committee, some who are Trump ass kissers, who have been examining the evidence for three years, were duped?

I’m sure if I asked you provide some blogger’s narrative or something similar showing how Kilimnik was a free agent, but I’ll go with those who actually examined all the evidence
 
anatta said:
nope WIKILEAKS did not coordinate with Stone either. there is nothing there except your TDS.
Russian interference is trash as well

Mueller’s Own Report Undercuts Its Core Russia-Meddling Claims
https://www.realclearinvestigations...ndercuts_its_core_russia-meddling_claims.html
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If the lefties were actually serious about this they would be clamoring for an interview with Assange. Assange *knows* since he was the primary source of the leaks.

But they’re afraid Assange will claim it wasn’t a hack but a leak—and if he has evidence of such—then boom, there goes the Russian house of cards. The whole thing blows up and leads to some ‘inconvenient’ questions.

That Mullet didn’t interview Assange was telling. Pardon him if you have to but get him under oath. But Mullet didn’t do that and as far I know no attempt was made.

The *pivotal* figure in the whole affair was Julian Assange—and no one is talking to him or wants to. We have to take the word of ‘authorities’ that it was a hack and not a leak.

At any rate, this all becomes moot if/when Durham reveals criminal behavior within or by the Mullet Investigation and he’s already sniffing around the edges of it with Clinesmith.

Seems to making Weismann say some dumb things.
 
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