Did you hear about the US jet fighter buzzing an Iranian passenger airliner ?

moon said:
The evidence suggest that ' the US military ' is lying. Just another immoral military. What happened to America ?
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Good luck getting anywhere suing the US military in an Iranian court for anything.

Evidence suggests after the incident Iran manufactured a crisis by staging phony claims about what happened, just as they've consistently done every time before when something happens like their shooting down a airliner taking off in Tehran, or their claims about shooting down a drone over their territory and then displaying wreckage that wasn't from a drone. They've done this stupidity time and time again.
 
moon said:
The court will decide. The Iranians have evidence of illegal US aggression.
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Good luck with that... Certainly the Iranian courts won't get anywhere beyond the borders of Iran. Taking it to some international court will only get Iran bitch slapped down for fabricating evidence like the staged photos of the supposed passengers injured.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Good luck getting anywhere suing the US military in an Iranian court for anything.

Evidence suggests after the incident Iran manufactured a crisis by staging phony claims about what happened, just as they've consistently done every time before when something happens like their shooting down a airliner taking off in Tehran, or their claims about shooting down a drone over their territory and then displaying wreckage that wasn't from a drone. They've done this stupidity time and time again.
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All excellent points. That fact Moon takes their word as gospel in order to attack the US is adds weight to the evidence Moon is pro-Russian, pro-Iranian and anti-American.
 
Micawber said:
Why is a thread moronic simply because it is critical of an inciteful or provocative action by a US jet towards a defenseless
civilian craft? I'm not getting that part.
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he is trying to pretend there was some sort of media cover up. There wasnt.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
All excellent points. That fact Moon takes their word as gospel in order to attack the US is adds weight to the evidence Moon is pro-Russian, pro-Iranian and anti-American.
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On look at the clip being played by many news outlets of the interior of the cabin is a dead giveaway. It looks so staged it hurts. For example, why are several of the children passengers wearing life vests? The plane was over a desert. Life vests are handed out by the crew or are stored under the seats. Either way, why bother to put one on when you are over a DESERT?

Maybe the US will release footage of the fighter plane's camera(s) if they had some of what the Iranian airliner was doing, or data from radar sites tracking it. My bet is if they do it contradicts the Iranian story entirely.
 
moon said:
The court will decide. The Iranians have evidence of illegal US aggression.
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What "illegal aggression?" A fighter plane approaching to visual range in daylight to verify an airline is an airliner in a war zone is not unusual or aggressive. You'd think the Iranians would be happy that the US tried to make sure their airliner was safe rather than just shoot it down like they and the Russians seem to regularly do.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
What "illegal aggression?" A fighter plane approaching to visual range in daylight to verify an airline is an airliner in a war zone is not unusual or aggressive. You'd think the Iranians would be happy that the US tried to make sure their airliner was safe rather than just shoot it down like they and the Russians seem to regularly do.
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Why was he/she flying so close? We need this investigated. The airlines should not have had to use avoidance maneuvers. We should compensate the injured.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
On look at the clip being played by many news outlets of the interior of the cabin is a dead giveaway. It looks so staged it hurts. For example, why are several of the children passengers wearing life vests? The plane was over a desert. Life vests are handed out by the crew or are stored under the seats. Either way, why bother to put one on when you are over a DESERT?

Maybe the US will release footage of the fighter plane's camera(s) if they had some of what the Iranian airliner was doing, or data from radar sites tracking it. My bet is if they do it contradicts the Iranian story entirely.
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I have no doubt the fighter was only following established procedure. No one in the US wants an unfortunate incident.

The video could have been faked but if it's real, it appears the airline captain freaked and injured his own passengers risking killing them. That should also teach everyone to wear their fucking seatbelt at all times in an airliner unless there's a good reason not to do so.

Also note that some of those life vest are inflated. That's could be a death sentence if the plane goes in the water. One reason for so many deaths aboard Ethiopian flight 961 which ditched when they ran out of fuel during a hijacking was the passengers who donned and inflated their life vests. DO NOT INFLATE A LIFE VEST UNTIL OUTSIDE THE SHIP OR AIRCRAFT.

 
Phantasmal said:
Why was he/she flying so close? We need this investigated. The airlines should not have had to use avoidance maneuvers. We should compensate the injured.
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It's a war zone. Airliners have been used as decoys and weapons before. Remember 9/11?

We shouldn't have to compensate for someone else's fuck up.

Airliner intercept procedures: https://www.faa.gov/news/safety_briefing/2015/media/Intercept-Procedures.pdf

ICAO: https://www.icao.int/Meetings/anconf12/Document Archive/an02_cons[1].pdf page 68 of the 74 page pdf.
 
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Phantasmal said:
Why was he/she flying so close? We need this investigated. The airlines should not have had to use avoidance maneuvers. We should compensate the injured.
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It's likely the airliner didn't maneuver at all. The US fighter never got closer than about 2500 feet to the Iranian plane. I'd say the Iranians staged the injuries and are falsely claiming the maneuver happened.
Also the claimed 14,000 foot descent in 4 minutes calculates out at a 300 knot air speed as an 8 degree dive. If the plane was travelling faster, the descent rate in degrees decreases. That's hardly a radical maneuver in any case.
 
Phantasmal said:
I believe it would be the diplomatic thing to do. Winning the hearts and minds of the Iranian people.
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Agreed, but threats still need to be checked out. If a Iranian airliner was flying to the US then deviated off course, should it be checked or not? Who do you think has the best equipment to do the checking?

Remember when Payne Stewart died in a plane crash? It was biz jet that, in the middle of its climbout, lost pressurization. The oxygen system either failed or wasn't turned on while the pilots diagnosed the loss of pressurization. While doing so, the pilot's passed out due to oxygen deprivation. The aircraft's autopilot was engaged so the plane just flew up to the programmed altitude then flew straight until it ran out of fuel. Guess who was sent to intercept and investigate?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/oct/26/julianborger
Air force F-16 fighter jets were scrambled to intercept the private plane as it flew north-west, but were unable to detect any sign of life behind the aircraft windows which had frosted over, suggesting the cabin may have suffered a sudden loss of air pressure...

...After cruising north-west for about four hours across the breadth of the country, apparently on autopilot, the Learjet seems to have run out of fuel and plunged into a swampy part of north-eastern South Dakota, two miles from the small town of Mina.


Same for the Greek airline crash Helios Airways flight 522.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed, but threats still need to be checked out. If a Iranian airliner was flying to the US then deviated off course, should it be checked or not? Who do you think has the best equipment to do the checking?

Remember when Payne Stewart died in a plane crash? It was biz jet that, in the middle of its climbout, lost pressurization. The oxygen system either failed or wasn't turned on while the pilots diagnosed the loss of pressurization. While doing so, the pilot's passed out due to oxygen deprivation. The aircraft's autopilot was engaged so the plane just flew up to the programmed altitude then flew straight until it ran out of fuel. Guess who was sent to intercept and investigate?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/oct/26/julianborger
Air force F-16 fighter jets were scrambled to intercept the private plane as it flew north-west, but were unable to detect any sign of life behind the aircraft windows which had frosted over, suggesting the cabin may have suffered a sudden loss of air pressure...

...After cruising north-west for about four hours across the breadth of the country, apparently on autopilot, the Learjet seems to have run out of fuel and plunged into a swampy part of north-eastern South Dakota, two miles from the small town of Mina.
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Im not sure why we are in Syria at this point, we deserted our allies. I’m disgusted by Pompeo’s foreign policy.
 
Phantasmal said:
Im not sure why we are in Syria at this point, we deserted our allies. I’m disgusted by Pompeo’s foreign policy.
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Frankly it surprised me too but the US is still part of NATO despite Trump's bullshit. Also, Americans seem fine with pilots dying but not troops...and I'm not kidding!

"Boots on the ground" is one thing but air support is another. Remember Obama and Libya? No boots on the ground but we supplied a shitload of air support. "Shitload" is a technical term. :)

Therefore it realizing that the US is still flying air support in the region is only mildly surprising. Air support can non-combative such as this intercept or it could be strike missions.
 
katzgar said:
he is trying to pretend there was some sort of media cover up. There wasnt.
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I'm not suggesting that the Western media made a conscious effort to cover up this particular incident- I'm saying that the Western media doesn't report anything at all which is detrimental to the Western narrative- unless the weight of foreign reportage is so strong that editor's think that there's no longer a choice.
In this instance it was all over Al Jazeera and RT- to name but two- and totally absent from our own mainstream media. If you think that that's NOT deliberate than your naive.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Frankly it surprised me too but the US is still part of NATO despite Trump's bullshit. Also, Americans seem fine with pilots dying but not troops...and I'm not kidding!

"Boots on the ground" is one thing but air support is another. Remember Obama and Libya? No boots on the ground but we supplied a shitload of air support. "Shitload" is a technical term. :)
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There was a lot of Obama’s foreign policy I didn’t agree with. I’m an old, 70’s peacenick. Make love not war.
 
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