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Nizar Rayan, his four wives and 10 of his children were all killed by in an Israeli air strike on his home after he ignored warnings they should go into hiding.
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Rayan is the only one responsible for his death and that of his family.
 
10 children killed and the comments are about it being the father's fault?? Evolution?


I guess this is that "compassionate conservatism" we have heard about.
 
Solitary said:
10 children killed and the comments are about it being the father's fault?? Evolution?


I guess this is that "compassionate conservatism" we have heard about.
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if you were warned that your house was goign to be demolished and you ignored teh warning, left your family there and the house was demolished, are you saying you bear no responsibility?
 
Yurt said:
if you were warned that your house was goign to be demolished and you ignored teh warning, left your family there and the house was demolished, are you saying you bear no responsibility?
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This was not a demolition by a wrecking crew. This was a military action against kids.
 
Solitary said:
This was not a demolition by a wrecking crew. This was a military action against kids.
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who wrecked the home and informed them it was going to happen...i am not saying israel is justified, we don't even know if israel knew if anyone was in teh house...but if you ignore a warning that your house is going to be demolished and you let your kids remain, you don't think that decision bears any responsibility?
 
Yurt said:
who wrecked the home and informed them it was going to happen...i am not saying israel is justified, we don't even know if israel knew if anyone was in teh house...but if you ignore a warning that your house is going to be demolished and you let your kids remain, you don't think that decision bears any responsibility?
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I think he might have been able to do something. Or he might have thought that their being in the open moving would draw fire.

I don't think his being warned makes him solely responsible when someone else blew up the house.
 
Solitary said:
This was not a demolition by a wrecking crew. This was a military action against kids.
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It was a military action that took place where the rockets were deployed to be launched against Israel. In order to do it with the least amount of civilian casualties they even called and warned them what was going to happen and why.

If I received one of those calls, and I was alone I may choose to make some stand, but when it is my kids? I wouldn't have stayed.

However, Gaza is about as big as Boulder, CO in its entirety. There is a limit to the amount of places one can hide there...

The idea that they called to tell people what was coming pretty much shows that Israel is attempting to avoid that, to the point they are willing to give up their plans on where they will attack.
 
Damocles said:
It was a military action that took place where the rockets were deployed to be launched against Israel. In order to do it with the least amount of civilian casualties they even called and warned them what was going to happen and why.

If I received one of those calls, and I was alone I may choose to make some stand, but when it is my kids? I wouldn't have stayed.

However, Gaza is about as big as Boulder, CO in its entirety. There is a limit to the amount of places one can hide there...

The idea that they called to tell people what was coming pretty much shows that Israel is attempting to avoid that, to the point they are willing to give up their plans on where they will attack.
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exactly
 
Damocles said:
It was a military action that took place where the rockets were deployed to be launched against Israel. In order to do it with the least amount of civilian casualties they even called and warned them what was going to happen and why.

If I received one of those calls, and I was alone I may choose to make some stand, but when it is my kids? I wouldn't have stayed.

However, Gaza is about as big as Boulder, CO in its entirety. There is a limit to the amount of places one can hide there...

The idea that they called to tell people what was coming pretty much shows that Israel is attempting to avoid that, to the point they are willing to give up their plans on where they will attack.
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Now do we know for a fact that rockets were deployed there?
 
Let me get this straight. If Someone threatens me and I call them and tell them I am going to burn down their house and they die in it. Iit is their fault for not getting out before I burn it down?

Call me old fashioned and hung up on personal responsibility, but something is wrong with that concept.
 
Damocles said:
Right, they just call randomly so that they can hit nobody if people are smart enough to leave and spend ordinance baselessly. That's the way to win.
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Face it, this crowd is of the same mind as the Pali leadership. They want to make Israel out to be the only ogre. Have at it.

An aside, of no consequence to those of such mindset, Israel went to a whole heck of a lot of trouble to announce to 'get the hell out of there', and the reasons why. Those that ignored agreed to be martyrs with this guy and got their wish.
 
uscitizen said:
Let me get this straight. If Someone threatens me and I call them and tell them I am going to burn down their house and they die in it. Iit is their fault for not getting out before I burn it down?

Call me old fashioned and hung up on personal responsibility, but something is wrong with that concept.
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Failed analogy.

If you were constantly throwing explosives randomly onto their property, occasionally killing some of them and nobody else was going to do something about it would you expect them to call you up and tell you when and where they were coming? Yet they do and tell you that because you were hiding explosives in your kid's room that's where it was coming then you decided not to even move him to another room?

Yeah, it is at least partly your fault if your kid gets killed in such a circumstance.
 
Damocles said:
Failed analogy.

If you were constantly throwing explosives randomly onto their property, occasionally killing some of them and nobody else was going to do something about it would you expect them to call you up and tell you when and where they were coming? Yet they do and tell you that because you were hiding explosives in your kid's room that's where it was coming then you decided not to even move him to another room?

Yeah, it is at least partly your fault if your kid gets killed in such a circumstance.
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Partly yes, but not totally as some seem to think.

so not a failed analogy if you said partially.
 
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