CA isn’t helping my mask skepticism

[Earl]

Most European countries have a death rate per million far less than the US. The only exceptions are Italy, Spain, France and Sweden. All of those countries have healthcare systems far superior to the US healthcare system. We have the lowest life expectancy and the highest cost per capita for health care of any industrialized nation. Our system sucks.

Wrong, I lived in Spain for three years and you are wrong.

 

[Darth Omar]

Most European countries have a death rate per million far less than the US. The only exceptions are Italy, Spain, France and Sweden. All of those countries have healthcare systems far superior to the US healthcare system. We have the lowest life expectancy and the highest cost per capita for health care of any industrialized nation. Our system sucks.

All we need to do is maintain the current pace with 55 billion tests a day and we will eventually lead the world with lowest death rate. It’s a math thing. I’m surprised weren’t not there already.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Most European countries have a death rate per million far less than the US. The only exceptions are Italy, Spain, France and Sweden. All of those countries have healthcare systems far superior to the US healthcare system. We have the lowest life expectancy and the highest cost per capita for health care of any industrialized nation. Our system sucks.

six of the top ten countries on the deaths per million list are European......Belgium's numbers are twice what ours are.......they have one of those far superior healthcare systems......

# Country,
Other Total
Cases New
Cases Total
Deaths New
Deaths Total
Recovered Active
Cases Serious,
Critical Tot Cases/
1M pop Deaths/
1M pop Total
Tests Tests/
1M pop Population
1 San Marino 699 42 656 1 20,599 1,238 5,729 168,828 33,934
2 Belgium 63,238 +199 9,795 +3 17,269 36,174 28 5,455 845 1,429,053 123,281 11,591,851
3 Andorra 877 52 803 22 11,350 673 3,750 48,530 77,271
4 UK 292,552 45,119 N/A N/A 145 4,308 664 12,669,634 186,588 67,901,609
5 Spain 305,935 28,416 N/A N/A 617 6,543 608 6,026,446 128,892 46,755,613
6 Italy 243,736 35,017 196,246 12,473 53 4,032 579 6,103,492 100,955 60,457,649
7 Sweden 76,877 5,593 N/A N/A 62 7,610 554 681,820 67,494 10,101,989
8 France 173,838 30,138 79,036 64,664 481 2,663 462 2,602,581 39,868 65,280,042
9 USA 3,697,318 +2,293 141,143 +25 1,680,424 1,875,751 16,452 11,167 426 45,700,420 138,031 331,086,970
10 Peru 341,586 12,615 230,994 97,977 1,302 10,354 382 2,003,963 60,745 32,989,959

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

 

[Concart]

All we need to do is maintain the current pace with 55 billion tests a day and we will eventually lead the world with lowest death rate. It’s a math thing. I’m surprised weren’t not there already.

What are you talking about? Seriously. Testing has NOTHING to do with deaths per million population. Zero.

 

[Earl]

Spain...Patients do complain, however, about the long wait to see specialists and undergo certain procedures.

 

[Althea]

I'll add, just for your inqisitive nature:

I don't usually make election predictions. Too much can happen. But Trump is going to get trounced. It's gonna be a Mondale map in reverse, and the GOP may lose TX for at least a few election cycles.

Know how that might have been prevented? If Trump wore a mask from day 1, and preached the basics, every day: wear a mask, wash hands, distance, test & trace.

He could have shown leadership during this generations greatest crisis. Polls out today not only have him trailing badly behind Biden, but show that people just don't believe him anymore. He could have done the right thing, saved a ton of lives, kept the economy from tanking this badly and cruised to re-election.

But he's gonna lose now. And it won't be close.

Interesting info coming from his niece. His father was highly abusive, and any admission of fault for any reason was grounds for alienation.

trump cannot ever admit that he's human, and that he learns as he goes. (OK...he doesn't)

Instead, he consistently praises his own failures, blames others for same, and presents himself as a delusional liar.

Which is why he cannot come off of his original claim that the virus will magically disappear.

He was abused as a child. Nobody has ever loved him, (Maybe Ivanka, but that's a little weird) so he knows nothing of compassion or empathy.

 

[Althea]

Corona is on the rise in NYC in younger people. NYC does not have a 100% mask compliance anything. They just urge people to do it. Here: https://www.politico.com/states/new...-coronavirus-cases-among-young-adults-1300223

This could be due to a few reasons. NYC did a soft opening of bars, but only for take out service. Hundreds of kids were seen partying on the sidewalks outside of the bar, many with no masks. That wasn't the way the opening was designed to work, and was quickly shut down.

Without question, protests also had to account for other infections. Thus far, it's a small but steady increase. NY is very good at reinstating stricter measures when necessary.

 

[Concart]

Interesting info coming from his niece. His father was highly abusive, and any admission of fault for any reason was grounds for alienation.

trump cannot ever admit that he's human, and that he learns as he goes. (OK...he doesn't)

Instead, he consistently praises his own failures, blames others for same, and presents himself as a delusional liar.

Which is why he cannot come off of his original claim that the virus will magically disappear.

He was abused as a child. Nobody has ever loved him, (Maybe Ivanka, but that's a little weird) so he knows nothing of compassion or empathy.

It is an odd thing. Trump was handed the election when the virus appeared. Simple leadership would have swayed more than enough votes for him to win. Instead, he decided on this bizarre strategy of ignoring science and pushing for the opening of the economy. It's like he is incapable of nuanced thought. 'If the economy is good, I win, therefore I will do anything to keep the economy good'. It's how a ten year old thinks. I think the character flaws you mentioned prevent him from acting normally.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

....Do masks work ‘just a bit’? I was under the impression that if we social distanced and masked, that the numbers would come down, we could open the economy up get things rocking again [well, maybe not too early, since the election isn’t till November].

Maybe someone can explain what’s going on in CA. I have my own ideas but they can wait.

Forget the masks. Stand your ground and don't wear one or deliberately wear it incorrectly just to piss off your employers.

You can also carry one of these and offer fellow workers some hydroxychloroquine which renowned medical expert Donald "the J is for Jenius" Trump confirms is the best solution for the COVID flu.

BTW, has anyone ever sent your employers your posts from this forum? Just curious if it's a problem.

 

[Concart]

This could be due to a few reasons. NYC did a soft opening of bars, but only for take out service. Hundreds of kids were seen partying on the sidewalks outside of the bar, many with no masks. That wasn't the way the opening was designed to work, and was quickly shut down.

Without question, protests also had to account for other infections. Thus far, it's a small but steady increase. NY is very good at reinstating stricter measures when necessary.

Florida spring break also has had an impact on the spread. If we had decent testing and contact tracing we might know more, but that's just another failure of the Federal Government and this incompetent administration.

 

[BartenderElite]

Interesting info coming from his niece. His father was highly abusive, and any admission of fault for any reason was grounds for alienation.

trump cannot ever admit that he's human, and that he learns as he goes. (OK...he doesn't)

Instead, he consistently praises his own failures, blames others for same, and presents himself as a delusional liar.

Which is why he cannot come off of his original claim that the virus will magically disappear.

He was abused as a child. Nobody has ever loved him, (Maybe Ivanka, but that's a little weird) so he knows nothing of compassion or empathy.

The whole "can't admit when he's wrong" thing is really hurting America, and costing a lot of lives and livelihoods.

We all have to be part of his national therapy to work through his issues. It's pretty surreal. And 100% on the compassion/empathy. Trump would let America burn if it would be better for his image somehow.

 

[TOP]

Forget the masks. Stand your ground and don't wear one or deliberately wear it incorrectly just to piss off your employers.

You can also carry one of these and offer fellow workers some hydroxychloroquine which renowned medical expert Donald "the J is for Jenius" Trump confirms is the best solution for the COVID flu.

BTW, has anyone ever sent your employers your posts from this forum? Just curious if it's a problem.

Who would do something like that? Can you Guess?...

 

[Earl]

Democrats:

'If the economy is bad, we win, therefore we will do anything to keep the economy bad...including burning down Democrat controlled cities.

 

[Althea]

You should have stopped at too much can happen lol.

And your analysis is too COVID-centric. Speaking of CA, since their numbers are spiking [in July] they are keeping kids out of school in the fall. Almost like they were looking for an excuse.

Democrats are making a very bad political miscalculation on school openings. It is going to piss off a lot of voters in a really big way. That isn’t ‘just a mild inconvenience’ to tens of millions of parents.

Incorrect about Democrats. People need to get free babysitting via school, but they care about their kids. They won't blame legislators who have said children's well being in mind.
They'll blame the moron in Washington who cannot come up with a coherent plan to deal with a pandemic.

 

[Althea]

NYC could care less what the governor says. Read the article.

Article said nothing like that. It did mention that masks should be used inside the home, or any time distancing cannot be adhered to. Previously, we were forced to use masks in public areas. Outside typically being safer than inside.

 

[Althea]

You always talk about Dems making "bad miscalculations," but every time you do, Biden's lead in the polls grows.

You base it on how YOU feel. In the poll today, 70% of Americans did not support Trump's blanket rush on schools. I happen to agree w/ you that it's better to have kids back in schools - but it can't be an isolated blanket decision. It has to be responsible, and based on actual science & circumstances. It may not be the best thing in some areas.

Regardless, MOST Americans support a more cautious approach. Your "miscalculation" comment is based on nothing.

Agree. Each region's education issues are different. Many regions have extremely crowded classrooms. Others don't. With students already used to online classes, it's not hard to implement a rotating schedule where 1/2 or 1/3 of the students attend classes in person every other day, while the rest attend online.

 

[Althea]

Is there a break down in the poll numbers regarding parents of school kids?

And what does the science say about schools opening?

You must have polling, as you made a claim about Democrats paying for school shutdowns

 

[Althea]

It is an odd thing. Trump was handed the election when the virus appeared. Simple leadership would have swayed more than enough votes for him to win. Instead, he decided on this bizarre strategy of ignoring science and pushing for the opening of the economy. It's like he is incapable of nuanced thought. 'If the economy is good, I win, therefore I will do anything to keep the economy good'. It's how a ten year old thinks. I think the character flaws you mentioned prevent him from acting normally.

Yes. That sums it up. He believes that the facade of a good economy will get him re elected. If anything, he exposed the truth about the trump economy. The market is doing well, while the majority of people are still suffering.

He's been citing record economic gains, when in fact, it's record market gains with a mediocre economy.

And now he's been fully exposed. The market is still making gains, while the unemployment figures add millions of people each month. The two cannot possibly illustrate a good economy.

This, ironically looks like the Soviet Union back in the day. Empty store shelves, and millions of starving people. With leadership who shits into gold toilets, and consumes caviar.

 

[Althea]

The whole "can't admit when he's wrong" thing is really hurting America, and costing a lot of lives and livelihoods.

We all have to be part of his national therapy to work through his issues. It's pretty surreal. And 100% on the compassion/empathy. Trump would let America burn if it would be better for his image somehow.

From day one, when he promised to take health insurance away from millions of people (one of the only promises that he's kept) he claimed 'people won't blame me'.


That's not normal.

 

[Walt]

100% of the tests reported to the Florida Dept. of Health yesterday in some locations were positive, other locations reported high 80 and 90 percentiles(this is "statistically improbable").

Wow, that would be a total failure in Florida, if it were true. I am not going to just take your word that Republicans have failed that badly in Florida, but I will say it is possible.