What do Nazi and Confederate Flags have to do with ending the lockdown?

[Into the Night]

Just testing for influenza would have done nothing. They needed to test for a specific strain, Swine Flu. It is the same with Covid-19, they needed the specific strain, not just any Coronavirus. Both involve tests for specific RNA's, which have to be developed quickly

Testing does not prevent infection.

 

[Into the Night]

So as long as I do not point the gun at the teller, I can walk into a bank and demand money. It is not armed robbery. Good to know.

In the real world, presenting a gun, and a demand at the same time, is either armed robber or terrorism.

WRONG. It is simply robbing a bank. It is not armed robbery as long as you don't brandish the gun. It is not terrorism.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes, walking into a government building with guns out in the open, demanding policy change or you will use the guns, is proving that you are a real threat. They "protesters" are eager to prove they are a real threat.

They ARE a real threat. So is anyone willing to prevent a rogue government agent or agency from trampling the constitution.

And that defense falls right apart when you walk into a government building with military style weapons.

There is no such thing a 'military style' weapon. There is no such thing as an 'assault rifle' or 'assault pistol'. All guns are legal in the United States. See Amendment 2 of the Constitution of the United States, which is binding upon the States.

 

[Irish]

The ones you tell about "the left". The ones you tell about Trump. And all the other lies you tell.

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So you don't have any specifics?

 

[Into the Night]

Insurrection is a form of treason.

No, it is not. Redefinition fallacy. Upholding the Constitution of the United States or of any State is not treason.

The Constitution specifically states that, "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them."

A government is formed in the United States by a constitution, which declares and describes it's powers and authorities. Then a government exceeds it's authority and ignores the constitution that founded, it is no longer a valid government in the United States. That government is at war with the citizens that gave that government its power and authority. They are therefore treasonous and must be dealt with accordingly by the citizens.

The citizens created the constitution of their State. They own it. Only they are the ones that can interpret it, change it, or abolish it completely (thus dissolving their State government and removing their State from the Union).
The States created the Constitution of the United States. They own it. Only they are the ones that can interpret it, change it, or abolish it completely (thus dissolving the federal government). Those States can only act through their own constitutions, which are created by the people.

The United States is organized as a federated republic.

If any government agent or agency exceeds its authority, it is ALREADY BREAKING THE LAW AND ALREADY TREASONOUS.

Let's call a spade a spade, shall we?

 

[Into the Night]

Still no evidence that there actually was any 14 day quarantine. All you've got is a fake news story. IOW, nothing but lies.

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You are correct. No quarantine was issued by the federal government.

 

[Into the Night]

Disagreed. The fact the Republican Party has hollowed itself out and become the Party of Trump has nothing to do with the way the Constitution is structured. The Constitution is fine, the way the Executive and Legislative branches are using it is not. For the most part, Congress has been derelict in their duties for the majority of this century. They're more worried about reelection and campaign donations than doing their sworn duty.

In case you haven't noticed, Donald Trump is the current leader of the Republican Party. You are making some pretty vague accusations here. Void argument fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Agreed, but I also understand there is a line between those who will/did vote for Trump over the Democratic nominee and those who think Trump is "the Chosen One".



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Trump is "the Chosen One". He was duly elected as President of the United States. The people chose their electors, and the electors chose Trump. Maybe you mean something else by "the Chosen One"?

 

[Into the Night]

FreeSpeech is a Trump drone who only believes the fake news from Trump and his propagandists.

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The tweet is not from Trump. It is from Adam Serwer, a reporter for the NYT, and is fake news.

 

[Into the Night]

The first amendment along with much of the Bill of Rights has been made applicable to the states through the due process and equal protections clauses of the 14th amendment

The 14th amendment made no changes to the 1st amendment in any way.

through a judicial theory known as incorporation,

The Supreme Court does not have authority to change the Constitution of the United States.

in the case of the 1st Amendment this would be superfluous

The 1st amendment is not superfluous. It limits the federal government on what kind of laws it can pass. It applies only to the federal government, as specified in the 1st amendment itself.

anyways as every state in the Union has a Constitution guaranteeing the freedom of speech, assembly, etc.

Not correct. Argument of ignorance fallacy. State constitutions designate what speech cannot be prevented by the State government. State government still have authority to pass laws concerning speech causing panic. They also have authority to designate State religions (no State currently has this in their constitution today, but if they did, they could exercise that power again). NOTHING has changed.

but here's a primer on the incorporation doctrine

Irrelevant.

anyways it's a must know in order to understand how the dynamics of the Federal and State relationship changed dramatically following the civil war:

Nothing has changed.

Incorporation Doctrine
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The incorporation doctrine is a constitutional doctrine through which the first ten amendments of the United States Constitution (known as the Bill of Rights) are made applicable to the states through the Due Process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Incorporation applies both substantively and procedurally. Prior to the doctrine's (and the Fourteenth Amendment's) existence, the Bill of Rights applied only to the Federal Government and to federal court cases. States and state courts could choose to adopt similar laws, but were under no obligation to do so.

After the passage of the Fourteenth Amendment, the Supreme Court favored a process called “selective incorporation.” Under selective incorporation, the Supreme Court would incorporate certain parts of certain amendments, rather than incorporating an entire amendment at once.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/incorporation_doctrine

The Supreme Court does not have authority to change the Constitution of the United States.

 

[Into the Night]

Not in the mainstream.

Yup. In the mainstream...at least in the United States.

 

[Into the Night]

You can't kill people because of their beliefs.

Actually, you can. For example: you can kill a mass murderer because of his belief that he is doing it as an "act of God" and that he will not stop killing until every (pick your favorite race or religion) are dead.

 

[Into the Night]

True only if you regard Jews as a race, not a religion.

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They are both.

 

[Into the Night]

The Nazis claimed to be socialists, but it was all a front.

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Nope. Fascism is a form of socialism. It is on the road to communism. See the writings of Karl Marx and study the history of Italy and Marx's influence there.

 

[Into the Night]

Forget the Oklahoma bombing? It was a right-wing militia attack. They are the homes of haters who are training to kill American citizens.

WRONG. There was no militia. This bombing was a retaliatory act against abuses by the federal government against its citizens. It was an act of revenge by a single individual.

 

[Into the Night]

We have no Confederate or Nazi enemies. Those wars are over. Also, the specifics of laws against treason require the U. S. to be at war to officially have an enemy. If I carry a Confederate flag what enemy am I giving comfort to?

Well phrased, and a valid argument.

Personally, I can't think of any enemy you are giving comfort to. If you want to celebrate a symbol of the southern States of the Confederation, that's your business. It's certainly not treason to do so.

 

[Into the Night]

There's no "probably" about it.

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What's even sadder is that gangs kill Americans without firing a single shot. The drugs they sell kills a lot of people.
Then of course are their gang wars, and gang members are terrible shots, often hitting bystanders. We had one in Seattle a short while ago, resulting in three bystanders getting shot.

 

[Into the Night]

The Oklahoma bombing weren't really Neo-Nazi, but rather just an extremist Republican.

I guess it's okay to kill anybody who's beliefs conflict with yours, just because you see them as a threat.
(Rolls eyes)

That's not unlike a terrorist to kill those you don't like for their politics, it is terrorism, point blank.

The Oklahoma bombing was not terrorism. The target was specific, and the purpose was specific. It had nothing to do with his affiliation with any political party. It was an act of revenge against a government abusing it's own citizens.

 

[BattleofHodow]

The Oklahoma bombing was not terrorism. The target was specific, and the purpose was specific. It had nothing to do with his affiliation with any political party. It was an act of revenge against a government abusing it's own citizens.

Yeah, it clearly was terrorism.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

I was responding to his assertion that he can legally shoot peaceful protesters who are open carrying which he labeled as the same as brandishing.

Federal law defines brandished as, “with reference to a dangerous weapon (including a firearm) means that all or part of the weapon was displayed, or the presence of the weapon was otherwise made known to another person, in order to intimidate that person, regardless of whether the weapon was directly visible to that person. Accordingly, although the dangerous weapon does not have to be directly visible, the weapon must be present.” (18 USCS Appx § 1B1.1)

Now someone would have to PROVE that the intent was to INTIMIDATE.