Who The "F" is Trump to decide the fate of Ben Frankilin's Post Office?

[Arks&sparka]

Even now Poland has a higher life expectancy than the USA.

https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/

Poland pays about 1/7th the USA on healthcare.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/health-costs-how-the-us-compares-with-other-countries

Life expectancy is more of a lifestyle then medicine.

So that's not a good metric of who has better medicine.

Healthcare isn't medicine. The care for your health should be up to you. you should only ever need insurance for medical expenses.

I'm always 100% against government pretending to be our mommy. That's not its role in it should never be.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Pretending that the Post Office is a private company, and running it like a company, may have been for three minutes or so actually believed by the elites to be reforming the Post Office into something sustainable, but the fantasy did not last much longer than that....not with the non morons.

 

[domer76]

Don't give a shit it's not my money. If you have evidence of tax dodging you should present it.

It sure is your money, pally boy. Those corporations that shield their profits with any number of methods? Your money.

Substandard wages, like Walmart? SNAP is your money, pally boy.

Is anybody forcing these companies to fund their pensions for the next 75 years? Let them try that and see how competitive they are.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Life expectancy is more of a lifestyle then medicine.

So that's not a good metric of who has better medicine.

Healthcare isn't medicine. The care for your health should be up to you. you should only ever need insurance for medical expenses.

I'm always 100% against government pretending to be our mommy. That's not its role in it should never be.

Providing healthcare to all people, helps life expectancy.

Because, treatable ailments like high blood pressure, or diabetes can be caught early & prevented early on.

BY having health insurance, and going for routine check ups.

Instead of going to the ER when it's too late.

 

[floridafan]

its amazing how much bullshit you put out each day.....

Am I wrong, asshole?

 

[Arks&sparka]

It sure is your money, pally boy. Those corporations that shield their profits with any number of methods? Your money.

no that's not how commerce works. I don't have to give a corporation a penny unless the government requires me to.

Further if I trade my money in for a service that a business provides then that money is no longer mine the company I gave it to earned it from me because I value their service more than my money. just like if I'd hate you to do something for me that money I paid you isn't my money it's yours. You earned it.

That's not how the Post office works.

Substandard wages, like Walmart? SNAP is your money, pally boy.

nobody is forced to work at Walmart. they can quit anytime and if they're not paid enough for the work they do they can find someone that will pay more.
If Walmart's pay was substandard nobody would work for them.

Is anybody forcing these companies to fund their pensions for the next 75 years? Let them try that and see how competitive they are.

I'm okay with doing away with pensions you should save for your own retirement like everyone else.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
You ever see those little PRIVATELY OWNED postal supply stores? They're not part of the USPS, but you can buy postal supplies and have your stuff shipped by UPS or Fedex. Also, you can buy stamps....at a marked up price. Bottom line: it is MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE to go the private route for your postal services than the USPS. A matter of fact, a matter of history. Period.

up front sure it's more expensive but no money from our tax dollars means it costs far less period.

The USPS has been paying for itself via stamp charges and USPS express services for decades.

Where was the "gov't waste" you speak of? You want to pay hyped up prices just to satisfy some anti-gov't itch, that's your business....just don't make it mandatory for the rest of us.

Stop stealing money from the taxpayer because you're a cheapskate.

Dump's GOP predecessors wanted to union bust the USPS, so they enacted a stipulation that the USPS had to "pre-pay" into it's retirement fund by 20 years....an unprecedented move for any gov't affiliated organization...but one necessary for the GOP's future political ends. Disgusting.

Great, there was a reason why I voted for him. This is a reason to vote for him again.

Evidently, I'm dealing with yet another willfully ignorant member of the "sovereign, prepper, oather, necon, teabag" folk....people who are long on talking points, memes and insults but short on actual facts, logic and the intellectual honesty to debate a point.

Let me educate you, son:

In real life, however, the USPS is not funded by congressional appropriations. Rather, since the 1970s, Congress has required the Postal Service to simultaneously:

• Finance its own operations, as though it were a business.
• Provide mail service to every part of the country — and charge Americans the same (affordable) postal rates no matter where they live, even if such Americans happen to reside in rural hinterlands that private carriers ignore because they cannot be profitably served.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020...-congress.html

Now I asked you for proof of your claim of "govt' waste" regarding the USPS. You can't do that, so you just blow smoke. That makes your claim a lie.

Also, you need to think before you type: first you bitch about gov't taxes for the USPS "stealing" from you....yet you have no problem with a constant inflation of prices for the very same services just because it's private enterprise. You're not even making horse sense because you offer no factual evidence that the latter is less costly "in the long run" (clearly, you're ignorant about the COLA, which the USPS met with increase in services by Pennies).

Voting for Dump is a vote against your own interests, as his latest bail out during this pandemic favored the rich....hell, you can't even afford a night in one of his hotels without a serious reworking of your yearly budget. Carry on.

 

[domer76]

no that's not how commerce works. I don't have to give a corporation a penny unless the government requires me to.

Further if I trade my money in for a service that a business provides then that money is no longer mine the company I gave it to earned it from me because I value their service more than my money. just like if I'd hate you to do something for me that money I paid you isn't my money it's yours. You earned it.

That's not how the Post office works.
nobody is forced to work at Walmart. they can quit anytime and if they're not paid enough for the work they do they can find someone that will pay more.
If Walmart's pay was substandard nobody would work for them.
I'm okay with doing away with pensions you should save for your own retirement like everyone else.

Trump’s proposal was nothing more than pure vindictiveness and revenge, and you know it.

You also know that people who work at Walmart, or Home Depot or Lowe’s, etc. just can’t up and quit. Quit providing excuses for shit employers that cost the taxpayers.

 

[BattleofHodow]

no that's not how commerce works. I don't have to give a corporation a penny unless the government requires me to.

Further if I trade my money in for a service that a business provides then that money is no longer mine the company I gave it to earned it from me because I value their service more than my money. just like if I'd hate you to do something for me that money I paid you isn't my money it's yours. You earned it.

That's not how the Post office works.
nobody is forced to work at Walmart. they can quit anytime and if they're not paid enough for the work they do they can find someone that will pay more.
If Walmart's pay was substandard nobody would work for them.
I'm okay with doing away with pensions you should save for your own retirement like everyone else.

What ever, getting rid of the Post Office will hurt Rural communities the most, because it's not profitable to locate private Postal service into rural areas.

 

[Hawkeye10]

What ever, getting rid of the Post Office will hurt Rural communities the most, because it's not profitable to locate private Postal service into rural areas.

It will further tarnish the Government in particular and the elites generally.....they who keep turning up incompetent and indecent.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Not quite. I never said it was the sole means of financial support, but you cannot deny it's a major part across the board. Mind you, first it was the fax machine, then e-mail that put a serious crimp in USPS revenue. But compared to private organizations, it's still a better bang for your buck capable of more extensive reach in rural America and such. That the GOP pushed the absurd and unnecessary requirement regarding retirement funds is just a way to limit ballot by mail and a large democrat/liberal leaning union:

FYI -
https://aflcio.org/2012/1/19/how-rep...postal-service

https://truthout.org/articles/the-go...rvice-to-fail/



And remember:


In real life, however, the USPS is not funded by congressional appropriations. Rather, since the 1970s, Congress has required the Postal Service to simultaneously:

• Finance its own operations, as though it were a business.
• Provide mail service to every part of the country — and charge Americans the same (affordable) postal rates no matter where they live, even if such Americans happen to reside in rural hinterlands that private carriers ignore because they cannot be profitably served.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020...-congress.html

I say that the government is required to make sure that we have a functioning post office. I further say that from the mid 70's on it has been known that the Post Office needs to be reformed into something sustainable which I further say should not be on the back only of postage....that Federal Funds must be fed in. This retirement thing does not mean much to me, the post office was in trouble before this, it was never fixed, this is not at root the problem.

That does not mean that it was not wrong.

What you say and what actually is varies to a noticeable degree. As my links showed, the financial problems of the USPS were addressed … given the economy overall in the past 40 years, the USPS was not immune to financial problems. But the moronic idea to scrap the USPS as is in favor of some type of privatization or BS "free market" approach by various companies would result in a SIGNIFICANT RISE IN COSTS FOR SERVICES. This would especially hit hard for rural areas of the country.

But let's get real, Dump and the GOP are ONLY interested in suppressing the vote via a diminishing of mail in ballots, and the elimination in one of the nations largest unions that does NOT vote Republican for the most part.

 

[Arks&sparka]

Providing healthcare to all people, helps life expectancy.

you can't provide health Care you have to care about your own house and nobody else can do it for you. Medical Care is different than health care.

we don't have a health Care system in this country we don't need one we have a medical industry.

Because, treatable ailments like high blood pressure, or diabetes can be caught early & prevented early on.

if you go to a doctor and get prescription drugs that is medical Care not health Care. healthcare would be preventative if you're prone to high blood pressure don't smoke lifestyle choices.

now if you can show me greater numbers of people being treated or cured of ailments like diabetes and high blood pressure under socialized medicine then you have an argument but that's not what you're showing me you're showing me numbers of hospital beds.

BY having health insurance, and going for routine check ups.

that's medical insurance doctors practice medicine not health. If you want health you have to practice heath via lifestyle.

Instead of going to the ER when it's too late.

Again you just talking about medicine and not health. Your health is up to you your doctor can advise you about any medical conditions you may have, they can make suggestions on healthy lifestyles but you have to do it. even if you're in your dream Communist dictatorship you still have to do it.

 

[BattleofHodow]

you can't provide health Care you have to care about your own house and nobody else can do it for you. Medical Care is different than health care.

we don't have a health Care system in this country we don't need one we have a medical industry.
if you go to a doctor and get prescription drugs that is medical Care not health Care. healthcare would be preventative if you're prone to high blood pressure don't smoke lifestyle choices.

now if you can show me greater numbers of people being treated or cured of ailments like diabetes and high blood pressure under socialized medicine then you have an argument but that's not what you're showing me you're showing me numbers of hospital beds.
that's medical insurance doctors practice medicine not health. If you want health you have to practice heath via lifestyle.

Again you just talking about medicine and not health. Your health is up to you your doctor can advise you about any medical conditions you may have, they can make suggestions on healthy lifestyles but you have to do it. even if you're in your dream Communist dictatorship you still have to do it.

It's not just lifestyle changes, a lot of people have genetic & biological conditions.

My friend was on blood pressure meds since he was 14, and that's probably genetic, both his parents got heart disease early on.

But, absolutely, blood pressure can be dependent on lifestyle.

Well, what about things like Parkinson's, Multiple Sclerosis, Spinal Bifida, Lupus, and a huge list of very genetic conditions?

I guess they should go fck themselves & die, because they didn't win the genetic lottery like you?

 

[Arks&sparka]

Evidently, I'm dealing with yet another willfully ignorant member of the "sovereign, prepper, oather, necon, teabag" folk....people who are long on talking points, memes and insults but short on actual facts, logic and the intellectual honesty to debate a point.

Let me educate you, son:

If all you can do is insult people for disagreeing with you you are intellectually a kindergartener and you have no point.

Next time you want me to read your argument try doing it without acting like a small child who just had their toys taken away.

 

[domer76]

no that's not how commerce works. I don't have to give a corporation a penny unless the government requires me to.

Further if I trade my money in for a service that a business provides then that money is no longer mine the company I gave it to earned it from me because I value their service more than my money. just like if I'd hate you to do something for me that money I paid you isn't my money it's yours. You earned it.

That's not how the Post office works.
nobody is forced to work at Walmart. they can quit anytime and if they're not paid enough for the work they do they can find someone that will pay more.
If Walmart's pay was substandard nobody would work for them.
I'm okay with doing away with pensions you should save for your own retirement like everyone else.

Pensions are free, pally boy. I have a pension. I paid into it for my entire career and my employer matched it. How does your 401k work?

 

[Arks&sparka]

Trump’s proposal was nothing more than pure vindictiveness and revenge, and you know it

I don't have the capability of reading minds and I don't believe you do either.

You also know that people who work at Walmart, or Home Depot or Lowe’s, etc. just can’t up and quit. Quit providing excuses for shit employers that cost the taxpayers.

you sure they can they can walk up to the boss and say "I quit." And not go back and work. That's not an excuse that's a reality.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Evidently, I'm dealing with yet another willfully ignorant member of the "sovereign, prepper, oather, necon, teabag" folk....people who are long on talking points, memes and insults but short on actual facts, logic and the intellectual honesty to debate a point.

Let me educate you, son:

If all you can do is insult people for disagreeing with you you are intellectually a kindergartener and you have no point.

Next time you want me to read your argument try doing it without acting like a small child who just had their toys taken away.

Sorry kid, you can't BS your way past the FACT that you cannot disprove my previous response to you. As the chronology of the posts shows, it was YOU who cast the first insult by calling anyone who supports the USPS thieves and cheapskates https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...Frankilin-s-Post-Office&p=3620064#post3620064

As the saying goes, if you can't take it, don't dish it out. You were proven not being able to supporter your assertions. Now you come with this lame dodge to hide that fact. You fail. So unless you're actually willing to discuss facts and the logic derived from them, I'll just let you blow smoke alone. Carry on.

 

[Arks&sparka]

What ever, getting rid of the Post Office will hurt Rural communities the most, because it's not profitable to locate private Postal service into rural areas.

Why is the only thing we care about mailing letters why not have a government-funded repair shop that fixes tractors, government-funded movie theaters?
if you can't make a profit in a rural area how did businesses in rural areas profit?

 

[BattleofHodow]

Why is the only thing we care about mailing letters why not have a government-funded repair shop that fixes tractors, government-funded movie theaters?
if you can't make a profit in a rural area how did businesses in rural areas profit?

So, you don't care that rural communities will lose Postal service?

Government funded movie theaters isn't a bad idea.

How could they create any worse garbage than Hollywood?

 

[Stone]

Am I wrong, asshole?

Yes welfare RAT, you are. You are wrong to think mail in voting will be a go in this next election. It wont. You are being sold a DREAM much like the dream you were sold about removing Trump from office only to have it DIE in the senate. Mail in voting will meet the same fate ,........... you silly old bitch. Whether or not you believe that to be true is unimportant as you have no bearing on the situation whatsoever. Instead you are just some welfare rat with a big mouth on an obscure message board. In due time you will be FORCED to believe it,... because it will be
the reality of the situation and better yet there isnt one thing your old ass can do about it except sit back and take it.