They are talking a two trillion dollar stimulus package,

[archives]

twice the cost of Obama's stimulus in 2009, and I'd agree that it is needed, well, everything other than the Munch's half trillion dollar personal secret slush fund, but I'm wondering why we aren't seeing the cries of "porkulus" and concerns for the National Debt from the right and their media as we did endlessly back in 2009?

Where is the Tea Party, the Freedom Caucus, those that were born in the 2010 election largely over the concerns for Obama's "porkulus" and massive additions to the National Debt? Where have the calls for self correction and unnecessary Gov't interference that were so dominate on the right but a decade ago?

Is it that conservative principles really aren't ideological fundamentals they believe in but rather political cliches defined who occupies 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue? We know Democrats are always going to look at the Gov't as a vehicle for change and action, but conservatives and Republicans, what do they really stand for?

 

[cawacko]

On one hand it is totally asinine but the very large variable you choose to leave out is we are in this position because the government forced businesses to shut down. One can't 'pull themselves up by the bootstraps' when the government doesn't allow you to work. So no, it's not apples to apples here comparing today to 2009 or any other recession.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Where is the Tea Party, the Freedom Caucus, those that were born in the 2010 election

you opposed them every time they said something.....are you saying you want them back?.....

 

[archives]

you opposed them every time they said something.....are you saying you want them back?.....

They've gone somewhere?

I'm just pointing out what was supposedly central to them back in 2009 seems to be forgotten today, and they told us it was thier core beliefs

 

[PostmodernProphet]

They've gone somewhere?

if you are talking about the ones elected in 2010, yes......most of them......

 

[Micawber]

Republicans always create deficits.
Give a Republican a credit card you might as well issue the charge off statement.

 

[dukkha]

They've gone somewhere?

I'm just pointing out what was supposedly central to them back in 2009 seems to be forgotten today, and they told us it was thier core beliefs

OMG.
this isn't a crisis of business practices -inflated markets made up by speculators.

It's a SLOWDOWN/SHUTDOWN due to government an voluntary actions It's closer to the Crysler bailout-
which helped keep a core business alive

 

[jimmymccready]

Excepting Mnuchin's $500 non-accountable pork for Big Business, the stimulus is needed.

 

[Nomad]

twice the cost of Obama's stimulus in 2009, and I'd agree that it is needed, well, everything other than the Munch's half trillion dollar personal secret slush fund, but I'm wondering why we aren't seeing the cries of "porkulus" and concerns for the National Debt from the right and their media as we did endlessly back in 2009?

Where is the Tea Party, the Freedom Caucus, those that were born in the 2010 election largely over the concerns for Obama's "porkulus" and massive additions to the National Debt? Where have the calls for self correction and unnecessary Gov't interference that were so dominate on the right but a decade ago?

Is it that conservative principles really aren't ideological fundamentals they believe in but rather political cliches defined who occupies 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue? We know Democrats are always going to look at the Gov't as a vehicle for change and action, but conservatives and Republicans, what do they really stand for?

Just more of that new Republican socialism that's become so common lately.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

They've gone somewhere?

yep, we all decided you idiots can argue back and forth with each other and when you've broken it all, we'll swoop in and fix it by taking over.

 

[Stretch]

twice the cost of Obama's stimulus in 2009, and I'd agree that it is needed, well, everything other than the Munch's half trillion dollar personal secret slush fund, but I'm wondering why we aren't seeing the cries of "porkulus" and concerns for the National Debt from the right and their media as we did endlessly back in 2009?

Where is the Tea Party, the Freedom Caucus, those that were born in the 2010 election largely over the concerns for Obama's "porkulus" and massive additions to the National Debt? Where have the calls for self correction and unnecessary Gov't interference that were so dominate on the right but a decade ago?

Is it that conservative principles really aren't ideological fundamentals they believe in but rather political cliches defined who occupies 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue? We know Democrats are always going to look at the Gov't as a vehicle for change and action, but conservatives and Republicans, what do they really stand for?

Apples & oranges. Companies have done nothing wrong. We've been "attacked" by a pandemic which is out of all counties' control.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Republicans always create deficits.
Give a Republican a credit card you might as well issue the charge off statement.

Disagreed, but Trump certainly knows how to waste other people's money. He has a long history of it. He's raised both the deficit and national debt every year of his administration.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello archives,

twice the cost of Obama's stimulus in 2009, and I'd agree that it is needed, well, everything other than the Munch's half trillion dollar personal secret slush fund, but I'm wondering why we aren't seeing the cries of "porkulus" and concerns for the National Debt from the right and their media as we did endlessly back in 2009?

Where is the Tea Party, the Freedom Caucus, those that were born in the 2010 election largely over the concerns for Obama's "porkulus" and massive additions to the National Debt? Where have the calls for self correction and unnecessary Gov't interference that were so dominate on the right but a decade ago?

Is it that conservative principles really aren't ideological fundamentals they believe in but rather political cliches defined who occupies 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue? We know Democrats are always going to look at the Gov't as a vehicle for change and action, but conservatives and Republicans, what do they really stand for?

Just think if we had taxed the rich more and paid down the debt by 2 trillion dollars with this 'fantastic economy' this $2 trillion bill would not have to be added onto the $23.5 trillion debt, (ouch.) Not saying we shouldn't have a bail out package. Just that we could have been far better positioned for it.

Agreed on the wishy washy corporate half trillion. We need to know where that is going and why. We don't want to be funding stock buy backs, executive bonuses and pay raises.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello cawacko,

On one hand it is totally asinine but the very large variable you choose to leave out is we are in this position because the government forced businesses to shut down. One can't 'pull themselves up by the bootstraps' when the government doesn't allow you to work. So no, it's not apples to apples here comparing today to 2009 or any other recession.

Did government make the wrong decision?

Are you still of the mind that this is all overblown, that measures taken so far have been an over reaction? Less should be done?

 

[cawacko]

Hello cawacko,



Did government make the wrong decision?

Are you still of the mind that this is all overblown, that measures taken so far have been an over reaction? Less should be done?

Feel free to show a single post where I’ve ever said or implied that. I’ll save you the time, I haven’t. But not surprising you don’t understand the simple concept of apples and oranges I referenced. Neither you nor archives can address it.

Why do you think that is politalker?

 

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Feel free to show a single post where I’ve ever said or implied that. I’ll save you the time, I haven’t. But not surprising you don’t understand the simple concept of apples and oranges I referenced. Neither you nor archives can address it.

Why do you think that is politalker?

She's just a burnt out hippy!

 

[anonymoose]

They've gone somewhere?

Yes. They left the building a few years ago with Jim Demint. Ted Cruz was the last stragler.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello cawacko,

Feel free to show a single post where I’ve ever said or implied that. I’ll save you the time, I haven’t. But not surprising you don’t understand the simple concept of apples and oranges I referenced. Neither you nor archives can address it.

Why do you think that is politalker?

You have not questioned whether the government response is worthwhile, citing concerns for monetary losses?

It is an inevitable conversation, but a slippery slope for whomever engages in it, because it implies a concern for money over lives.

I agree there are fundamental differences between this and 2009.

 

[Micawber]

What's another 2 on Trump's 20? At least this money is for saving lives, not bombing, walling and caging brown poor people.

 

[archives]

Feel free to show a single post where I’ve ever said or implied that. I’ll save you the time, I haven’t. But not surprising you don’t understand the simple concept of apples and oranges I referenced. Neither you nor archives can address it.

Why do you think that is politalker?

Let me preface this by saying I support the stimulus, well, other than the Munch's secret half trillion dollar slush fund

Interesting perspective, and partially true, however, is it ultimately the Gov't who shut down the businesses or the virus? Based on what we know and have seen in other countries did the Gov't really have any other options? And when the Market started to fall there were only a couple of States in shut down mode, implying it wasn't just the Gov't action that produced the decline

And why are we now liable to bailout every business hurt by this crisis? Hotels, Cruise Lines, and Casinos? At what point does going into business assume the consequences of unplanned events? Didn't think it was suppose to be a fail safe endeavor