Nearly half of American workers have low-wage jobs

Hello cawacko,

I’ve lived in Oakland/SF or LA for 35 years. It’s amazing out here and the opportunities are off the chart. But yes, it’s not for everyone nor do I believe we should export the California model across the country.

Every time I visit out there I always leave with the same thought. I can't understand why anyone would live there. Great place but it has been spoiled by too many people. I just can't live that life. No more than I could live in NYC.
 
Hello cawacko,

I’m not sure how what you wrote has to do with job training programs we were discussing but if your concern is government debt you support Bernie Sanders who is a supporter of MMT which states deficits do not matter and we should run high deficits to fund government programs. You just don’t like debt when it’s done by people you don’t support.

I do not equate Bernie with irresponsible budgeting. That is propaganda from the greedy rich who don't want to pay the higher taxes required of a responsible society. Bernie says nothing about having any intention to run high deficits. He talks about taxing the wealthy to pay for responsible social programs meant to promote the general welfare.
 
Hello cawacko,



Every time I visit out there I always leave with the same thought. I can't understand why anyone would live there. Great place but it has been spoiled by too many people. I just can't live that life. No more than I could live in NYC.

I love living in the City. I have two corner stores within a two block radius. I have multiple bars and restaurants within a four block radius. I love the action and activity. I don’t know what to do with myself when I’m in the suburbs or god forbid a rural area.

However I understand why it’s not for everyone and having a three year old my wife and I are having serious discussions of moving out of the City.
 
More money for education at every level, more jobs programs and tech school funding and public funded scholarships at community colleges.
More money for trade schools. More govt backed small business loans in urban centers. Raising taxes on the wealthy and corporations that effectively pay zero tax.

There's already far too many people with degrees. People are complaining that they need a degree for a job that only pays $15-20 an hour. Why make it worse? Why is supply and demand such an elusive concept for you liberal idiots?
 
There's already far too many people with degrees. People are complaining that they need a degree for a job that only pays $15-20 an hour. Why make it worse? Why is supply and demand such an elusive concept for you liberal idiots?
Too many people with degrees? That is just ridiculous. A society flourishes with an educated populace.

[FONT=&quot]An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people." Thomas Jefferson[/FONT]
 
Hello cawacko,

I love living in the City. I have two corner stores within a two block radius. I have multiple bars and restaurants within a four block radius. I love the action and activity. I don’t know what to do with myself when I’m in the suburbs or god forbid a rural area.

However I understand why it’s not for everyone and having a three year old my wife and I are having serious discussions of moving out of the City.

Well there has to be something for everybody. Diversity makes us great.
 
There's already far too many people with degrees. People are complaining that they need a degree for a job that only pays $15-20 an hour. Why make it worse? Why is supply and demand such an elusive concept for you liberal idiots?

Your pathological jealousy of people with degrees duly noted.
 
Too many people with degrees? That is just ridiculous. A society flourishes with an educated populace.

[FONT="]An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people." Thomas Jefferson[/FONT]

Democrats and the left who just love to bullshit they have more degrees and education than conservatives certainly do not prove that to be true.
 
Democrats and the left who just love to bullshit they have more degrees and education than conservatives certainly do not prove that to be true.

I hear that the price of crack is going up, so I hope that you get a pay raise to cover the extra cost.
 
Ah. Finally we get your opinion and honest response to what I said. Thank you. Now we can begin an honest discussion. Now I can respond.

Then what happened to American superiority? We are not better than them? Ya wanna know why some well-paying jobs go to people from India? Several reasons. One of those reasons is that those are the jobs Americans don't want because they have seen how good jobs are. They can clearly see that a lot of these unfilled well-paying jobs can be dangerous or make it impossible to have a daily family life. Since employers are able to get desperate applicants from places of zero opportunity those jobs do not pay what they actually should to compensate for their undesirability.

We are talking about two very different job markets. You said I didn't correctly describe your views but you said the reason those highly paid jobs were unfilled was because they were not good jobs and incorrectly described many of those as having bad conditions. The people we hire from India is not because
Americans don't want those jobs but because the U. S. does not produce enough qualified people in math, science, computing, and engineering. Hindus have the highest per capita income in the U. S.

[Politalker] "Ya wanna know why some well-paying jobs go to people from India? Several reasons. One of those reasons is that those are the jobs Americans don't want because they have seen how good jobs are. They can clearly see that a lot of these unfilled well-paying jobs can be dangerous or make it impossible to have a daily family life."

Those 44% making low income don't take those higher paying jobs because they are dangerous or bad jobs but because they cannot qualify for them. Web development and software engineer are not bad jobs. A person can't complain they are only making $18,000 if they aren't qualified for a better job and don't want to work too many hours.

I think blaming capitalism for any of those problems is a straw man in itself. You mention smoking and drinking but those are usually more common in socialist countries (not because they are socialist). Those who work in government jobs in the U. S. (city offices, education) seem to have the same conditions, problems, and complaints as those workers in capitalistic private sector jobs.
 
Hello Flash,

We are talking about two very different job markets. You said I didn't correctly describe your views but you said the reason those highly paid jobs were unfilled was because they were not good jobs and incorrectly described many of those as having bad conditions. The people we hire from India is not because
Americans don't want those jobs but because the U. S. does not produce enough qualified people in math, science, computing, and engineering. Hindus have the highest per capita income in the U. S.

Also true. Which is why I said SOME well paying jobs go to people from India. I would presume the religion exemplifies good parenting. I have no doubt that if Americans applied themselves with the same diligence that we could parent and educate our children to be more successful. We need to make some changes. I don't agree that religion is the answer, but I can certainly see that it works for some people so I wouldn't want to rule it out. I think our federal government should take a greater role in educating our people.

Schools should be required to teach things that help young people understand that no matter where they come from they really do have a chance to build themselves a good life. That can be difficult when they are the children of losers. Poverty in America is very cross-generational. Most poverty comes from poverty. Most wealth comes from wealth. There is some encouraging upward mobility, but it is not enough to keep up with the birth rate among the poor. There is an insufficient birth rate among the rich to displace the birth rate among the poor. Poverty grows. This happens across the world under all kinds of governments. Nobody seems to have the answer. We are not great enough to have solved that one, either.

[Politalker] "Ya wanna know why some well-paying jobs go to people from India? Several reasons. One of those reasons is that those are the jobs Americans don't want because they have seen how good jobs are. They can clearly see that a lot of these unfilled well-paying jobs can be dangerous or make it impossible to have a daily family life."

Those 44% making low income don't take those higher paying jobs because they are dangerous or bad jobs but because they cannot qualify for them. Web development and software engineer are not bad jobs. A person can't complain they are only making $18,000 if they aren't qualified for a better job and don't want to work too many hours.

Also true, but doesn't tell the whole story. Everybody isn't a nerd. The thought of staring at a computer screen 14 hours a day is not appealing to most people. Vitamin D deficiency is not a good way to go. That's only going to work for a segment of the population. Not 44%.

I think blaming capitalism for any of those problems is a straw man in itself. You mention smoking and drinking but those are usually more common in socialist countries (not because they are socialist). Those who work in government jobs in the U. S. (city offices, education) seem to have the same conditions, problems, and complaints as those workers in capitalistic private sector jobs.

My perception is that people working government jobs may have to put up with some bureaucratic BS but they make the most of it and stay in those jobs for the benefits. And they like to feel like they are really making a difference in the hands-on work of making America great, so they really are dedicated to their work and goal oriented. A government job is seen as a good job with excellent job security. You can often get paid more for the same work in the private sector but the trade offs are questionable job security and less benefits.
 
There is no 'would bring' about all the good socialism has already produced.
Correct. Socialism does not bring about any good.
It has already happened. It is happening now and it will continue to happen.
No. No socialism has brought about any good.
People who have the mistaken idea that we are in some kind of battle between capitalism and socialism are out of touch.
Not at all. This battle has gone on for thousands of years in one form or another.
We already have socialism and it has lifted the poor from destitution.
No. The poor are still there. They choose not to work. The poverty in the cities are caused by socialism.
We use capitalism to pay for that socialism and the two work together to produce the highest standard of living ever known.
They never work together. They are opposites of each other.
Delusional people who are afraid of socialism and afraid it is going to wipe out capitalism are under completely false impressions,
Where socialism is strongest, people suffer the most. False dichotomy fallacy.
hopelessly mixed up by capitalist propaganda.
There is no such thing as 'capitalist propaganda', just as there is no such thing as 'socialist propaganda'. They are economic systems, not propaganda.
The greediest capitalists among us foment and produce stupid propaganda for the sole reason of greed.
So you abhor profit, do you? Guess that's why you're destitute?
The greediest richest few want to suppress our socialism
It is not your socialism. You don't own socialism.
simply to increase their own profits
There it is. All hanging out pink and naked. You abhor profit. You abhor people working for themselves to bring themselves up and improve their own standard of living. You believe in the 'elite' making all their decision for them, and stealing the labor of others to benefit themselves.
and reduce their taxes
Taxes are not an expense. It does not cost the government anything to reduce taxes.
and their financial burden to help pay for the government programs.
Government programs are expenses. There is no need for any government program that is unconstitutional.
They strongly support the Republican party
WRONG. You forget about the rich that are Democrats and support socialism.
and circulate the false rumor that taxing is too high
It is.
and that we should always be trying to cut taxes.
There is no need to take from others to support government programs that are u nconstitutional.
That's wrong.
Socialism is wrong. You cannot justify it.
They have been far too successful in spreading their lies.
Socialism is the lie.
That has produced the largest tax cut for the rich in history and with it the largest deficit in history.
Tax cuts are not an expense. It doesn't cost the government a single dollar to cut taxes.
Fool's gold. We run our government on credit.
No, we run it on tax revenue, bonds (credit), and by just printing money.
The deeper in debt the government sinks, the greater their profits.
Government has no profit.
Foolish and irresponsible.
Think so? Get Congress to change. Unfortunately, the Democrats are currently in charge of the House.
Oh yeah, the economy is 'doing great,' they claim.
It is.
And the numbers look really good.
They do.
More people working than ever,
They are.
(at jobs that don't support them,)
Who are you to decide what an 'acceptable' job is? Who are you to decide whether it 'supports' them? You are not the king.

People like you disgust me. You take for granted those that make a living driving the trucks, running the farms, fix your powerlines, keep the sewer systems and fresh water systems running, service the restaurants, man the retail stores, and all the other things YOU deem 'the working poor'.

YOU don't get to decide. You are not the king. YOU don't get to speak for what other people want to do for a living.

and the stock market is soaring.
It is.
Not a word about the debt or the deficit because that is a sore subject.
Guess who adds to that the most? DEMOCRATS!
Republicans were *SO* worried about the debt when Obama was President that when they were finally able to wrest control of the government away from the irresponsible Democrats they took matters in their own hands and made the debt problem FAR greater.
The House is currently under the Democrats. Trump has managed to accomplish everything he has accomplished WITHOUT the help of the idiots in the House. There is, however, only so much he can do alone.
It was totally irresponsible to have a tax cut for the richest when we had so much debt and the economy was strong.
Tax cuts are not an expense. The government does not have to pay a single dollar for tax cuts.
The responsible thing to do would be to use the power of that strong economy to pay down the debt they complained so bitterly about.
Cutting government programs is the ONLY sustainable way to reduce the deficit or the debt. The government spends too much money. That's the problem...not tax cuts.
We now borrow over a trillion dollars a year to run our government and the rich enjoy the lowest taxes in decades.
Cut government programs, particularly those that are unconstitutional anyway.
 
Hello cawacko,



And like I said the cost of living is too high and the traffic is a nightmare. You wonder why people seem crazy out there, there's your answer. Living there drives people crazy. That's why all the 'opportunity' of those 'great jobs' is being left unfilled.

Life in the SOTC...a socialist enclave.
 
Hello cawacko,



Every time I visit out there I always leave with the same thought. I can't understand why anyone would live there. Great place but it has been spoiled by too many people. I just can't live that life. No more than I could live in NYC.

Yet you advocate the very thing that destroyed California and turned it into the SOTC.
 
Hello cawacko,



I do not equate Bernie with irresponsible budgeting. That is propaganda from the greedy rich who don't want to pay the higher taxes required of a responsible society. Bernie says nothing about having any intention to run high deficits. He talks about taxing the wealthy to pay for responsible social programs meant to promote the general welfare.

Socialism and communism are not responsible government programs.
 
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