Is there anyone in the GOP who advocates to remove money from elections?

As long as giving money is considered free speech (it isnt, its not really even really freedom of association) then ANY restrictions are actually in violation of the 1st amendment. Thats why i favor reversing the characterization that giving money is free speech.
But its all pissing into the wind because polititians will never allow it.
 
Hello Celticguy,

Celticguy said:
And what makes your little video different ?
Bear in mind that libertarians have more people in office than all other 3rd partys combined.
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It is as different as night and day. First, libertarians never even attempt to stop corruption. They simply accept it as part of ultimate freedom, which is socially destructive.

The Anti-Corruption Act will pass in time because, basically, what candidate wants to take a public stand against an anti-corruption position? Would that make them the pro-corruption candidate? Good luck running on that.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Celticguy,



It is as different as night and day. First, libertarians never even attempt to stop corruption. They simply accept it as part of ultimate freedom, which is socially destructive.

The Anti-Corruption Act will pass in time because, basically, what candidate wants to take a public stand against an anti-corruption position? Would that make them the pro-corruption candidate? Good luck running on that.
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Simple, it will do nothing to stop it.
 
countryboy said:
Communism always looks good on paper, but fails in real life, every, single, time. Do libs ever even bother to look at the current realities of socialized medicine around the world?
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Socialized medicine is the standard of the civilized world. We're the only developed nation that doesn't have it.
We were also the last western nation to abolish slavery, so the founders' inefficient government concepts created a socially regressive country.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Socialized medicine is the standard of the civilized world. We're the only developed nation that doesn't have it.
We were also the last western nation to abolish slavery, so the founders' inefficient government concepts created a socially regressive country.
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Yes, and it's failing miserably. Furthermore, it costs the middle class in those countries far more in taxes. That's the dirty little secret your leaders don't tell you. And don't forget the rationing and MASSIVE WAIT TIMES. Like I said, you people just gobble up the talking points without bothering to research this stuff.

You can take your idiotic slavery strawman and shove it. It has no place in this discussion.
 
countryboy said:
Yes, and it's failing miserably. Furthermore, it costs the middle class in those countries far more in taxes. That's the dirty little secret your leaders don't tell you. And don't forget the rationing and MASSIVE WAIT TIMES. Like I said, you people just gobble up the talking points without bothering to research this stuff.

You can take your idiotic slavery strawman and shove it. It has no place in this discussion.
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No nation without high taxes is a sophisticated, progressive nation. And sorry, but the slavery analogy fits perfectly.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Flash,

They they should not be supporting those causes. I see absolutely no reason to keep that private. And we need to know who is giving to what so that we can ensure no foreign money is influencing our politics. There must be oversight of political giving.
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The organizations are prohibited from accepting foreign funds. Simply disclosing a foreign contribution does not prevent it.

Should we have secret ballots or should that also be disclosed? Who I contribute to should be as private as who I vote for. If I am a teacher or have a business and choose to give money to gay rights organizations my life might be destroyed by groups who choose to make that information public and spread it over social media.



That different old issue has no bearing on current foreign influence in our elections.[/QUOTE]
 
Hello Celticguy,

Celticguy said:
Simple, it will do nothing to stop it.
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Sounds like you are writing it off out of hand, without valid consideration.

That's fine. No problem. We know such views exist and always will. The movement does not require your personal support. It will merrily chug right around such non-obstacles and proceed to eliminate corruption anyway. You are, of course, welcome to take a pro-corruption stand against goodness if that's your thing.

Are you pro-corruption?

That would explain support for President Trump.

Many pro-corruption political actors are definitely pro-Trump.
 
Hello Flash,

Flash said:
The organizations are prohibited from accepting foreign funds. Simply disclosing a foreign contribution does not prevent it.
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Where is the oversight? If nobody can know where political money came from how do we know it is American money?

Flash said:
Should we have secret ballots or should that also be disclosed? [yes, and no] Who I contribute to should be as private as who I vote for. [I disagree] If I am a teacher or have a business and choose to give money to gay rights organizations my life might be destroyed by groups who choose to make that information public and spread it over social media.
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That is not as important a consideration as keeping our elections American-only. We have to have priorities.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Flash,



Where is the oversight? If nobody can know where political money came from how do we know it is American money?



That is not as important a consideration as keeping our elections American-only. We have to have priorities.
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How about when Obama sent his people to Israel to campaign against Netanyahu, Snowflake?
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Celticguy,



Sounds like you are writing it off out of hand, without valid consideration.

That's fine. No problem. We know such views exist and always will. The movement does not require your personal support. It will merrily chug right around such non-obstacles and proceed to eliminate corruption anyway. You are, of course, welcome to take a pro-corruption stand against goodness if that's your thing.

Are you pro-corruption?

That would explain support for President Trump.

Many pro-corruption political actors are definitely pro-Trump.
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shut the Fuck up with your condescending horseshit.
 
Celticguy said:
Im the only one advocating removing money from elections.a few dems who cant raise funds want uncle sam to level the field for them.
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Money in politics is the only way to fight incumbents and their inherent advantage

Money isn’t that big a factor or Jeb would have had the nomination and Hillary would be President. Both out raised Trump
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Celticguy,



Sounds like you are writing it off out of hand, without valid consideration.

That's fine. No problem. We know such views exist and always will. The movement does not require your personal support. It will merrily chug right around such non-obstacles and proceed to eliminate corruption anyway. You are, of course, welcome to take a pro-corruption stand against goodness if that's your thing.

Are you pro-corruption?

That would explain support for President Trump.

Many pro-corruption political actors are definitely pro-Trump.
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I reviewed the website and the proposals as stated will not change anything, just result in a few shifts in approach.
 
Teflon Don said:
Money in politics is the only way to fight incumbents and their inherent advantage

Money isn’t that big a factor or Jeb would have had the nomination and Hillary would be President. Both out raised Trump
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Dave Brat unseated Eric Cantor with a budget that was less than Cantor's budget for steak dinners.
If neither can spend and it comes down to platforms, incumbancy can be a negative.
 
Teflon Don said:
Any time a democrat opens its mouth it is being dishonest
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Stop projecting!

Definition: Projecting: Accusing others of doing something you are already guilty of.

This comes straight out of Donald Trump's playbook. Thank You for demonstrating how this evil president is such a bad influence on those that listen to him and unquestionably believe everything he says.

Dude, you are just one of the NUTS that didn't fall far from the TREE! Thanks for revealing yourself! It's very telling of you!
 
Hello Celticguy,

Celticguy said:
I reviewed the website and the proposals as stated will not change anything, just result in a few shifts in approach.
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I disagree.

Preventing lawmakers from fund-raising on the job will force them to focus on the nation's business, especially when they spend as much as 70% of their time fund-raising.

Shutting the revolving door between regulators and the regulated will prevent corporations from rewarding lawmakers in exchange for corporate-friendly legislation.

And changing our elections to a ranked choice system will allow third parties to gain a foothold by letting voters express a preference for outside views and vote for who they really want instead of forcing them to vote against the lessor of two evils.
 
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