The Republican War on Science Continues

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"WASHINGTON — The Trump administration is preparing to significantly limit the scientific and medical research that the government can use to determine public health regulations, overriding protests from scientists and physicians who say the new rule would undermine the scientific underpinnings of government policymaking.

A new draft of the Environmental Protection Agency proposal, titled Strengthening Transparency in Regulatory Science, would require that scientists disclose all of their raw data, including confidential medical records, before the agency could consider an academic study’s conclusions. E.P.A. officials called the plan a step toward transparency and said the disclosure of raw data would allow conclusions to be verified independently."
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"Public health experts warned that studies that have been used for decades — to show, for example, that mercury from power plants impairs brain development, or that lead in paint dust is tied to behavioral disorders in children — might be inadmissible when existing regulations come up for renewal.

For instance, a groundbreaking 1993 Harvard University project that definitively linked polluted air to premature deaths, currently the foundation of the nation’s air-quality laws, could become inadmissible. When gathering data for their research, known as the Six Cities study, scientists signed confidentiality agreements to track the private medical and occupational histories of more than 22,000 people in six cities. They combined that personal data with home air-quality data to study the link between chronic exposure to air pollution and mortality.

But the fossil fuel industry and some Republican lawmakers have long criticized the analysis and a similar study by the American Cancer Society, saying the underlying data sets of both were never made public, preventing independent analysis of the conclusions."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/11/climate/epa-science-trump.html
 
I suppose one way of replacing the elderly in your base who are passing away is to make new supporters by exposing the young to IQ-impairing lead, mercury, pollutants, asbestos, etc. eh?

We have to get this evil creature out of our White House before he causes any more damage.
 
I suppose one way of replacing the elderly in your base who are passing away is to make new supporters by exposing the young to IQ-impairing lead, mercury, pollutants, asbestos, etc. eh?

We have to get this evil creature out of our White House before he causes any more damage.
I have always felt conservative's most admirable contribution to scientific inquiry is the prestigious Creation Science Museum in beautiful Petersburg, Kentucky
 
I suppose one way of replacing the elderly in your base who are passing away is to make new supporters by exposing the young to IQ-impairing lead, mercury, pollutants, asbestos, etc. eh?

We have to get this evil creature out of our White House before he causes any more damage.

The people that once tried to keep the ship afloat have all left the White House. This poor idiot is now at the Helm all by himself. (We are now at the Mercy of God) :(
 
I have always felt conservative's most admirable contribution to scientific inquiry is the prestigious Creation Science Museum in beautiful Petersburg, Kentucky

LMAO.... yep, that's about it.

It's such a strange thing. My dad was a scientist and most of our neighbors (all transferred to the St. Louis area by their employer) were as well. Back then (R)s supported science and scientific research. Scientific R&D was seen as one of our best weapons against the USSR. It was the anti-establishment left who condemned companies like Dow, Monsanto, Boeing, Standard Oil, etc. for developing war materiel and destroying the environment. Science was looked on with suspicion and hatred by many on the left.

Now it's totally reversed.
 
The people that once tried to keep the ship afloat have all left the White House. This poor idiot is now at the Helm all by himself. (We are now at the Mercy of God) :(

I hope that our environmental groups will be able to battle this in court. Clearly requiring the raw data, which will include that confidential personal health info, is a violation of HIPAA. In addition, it will have a huge dampening effect on future research studies. Who would consent to participate if they knew their PHI will end up in bureaucratic paws?
 
LMAO.... yep, that's about it.

It's such a strange thing. My dad was a scientist and most of our neighbors (all transferred to the St. Louis area by their employer) were as well. Back then (R)s supported science and scientific research. Scientific R&D was seen as one of our best weapons against the USSR. It was the anti-establishment left who condemned companies like Dow, Monsanto, Boeing, Standard Oil, etc. for developing war materiel and destroying the environment. Science was looked on with suspicion and hatred by many on the left.

Now it's totally reversed.
A good insight

My theory is that, at a philosophical level, cons are slaves to fundementalist Protestantism thus being more concerned with personal salvation, and not the worldly concerns of reason, inductive inquiry, and scholarship

More bluntly , to most conservatives quantum mechanics might as well be black magic!
 
A good insight

My theory is that, at a philosophical level, cons are slaves to fundementalist Protestantism thus being more concerned with personal salvation, and not the worldly concerns of reason, inductive inquiry, and scholarship

More bluntly , to most conservatives quantum mechanics might as well be black magic!

They might disdain science and technology in the abstract, but I haven't noticed any lack of conservative enjoyment of the products that science and tech bring us, have you? They don't go to church instead of the ER when they're having an MI. They all seem to have cell phones, flat screen TVs, newer cars, Internet, cable. They definitely breathe the same clean air and drink the same clean water the rest of us do.

Well, for now. I wonder how many brain-damaged children, burning rivers, and carcinomas will be needed for them to see the light?
 
LMAO.... yep, that's about it.

It's such a strange thing. My dad was a scientist and most of our neighbors (all transferred to the St. Louis area by their employer) were as well. Back then (R)s supported science and scientific research. Scientific R&D was seen as one of our best weapons against the USSR. It was the anti-establishment left who condemned companies like Dow, Monsanto, Boeing, Standard Oil, etc. for developing war materiel and destroying the environment. Science was looked on with suspicion and hatred by many on the left.

Now it's totally reversed.

And now we have right wing bat crazy conspiracy nuts running for office.

A QAnon Believer Is Running for Congress and Is Currently Unopposed in His Republican Primary

Believers in the pro-Trump QAnon conspiracy theory are fond of telling each other to “Trust the Plan”—to remain firm in the belief that Donald Trump and the mysterious forces behind QAnon will, at any moment, defeat the deep-state operatives and Pizzagate-style pedophiles that secretly run the world.

It’s a leap of faith that binds the community together. But one QAnon follower has grown impatient. Instead of trusting the plan, he’s running for Congress.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/matthew-lusk-meet-the-first-qanon-believer-running-for-congress

And we thought the teabaggers were bad. These morons want to expose the deep state pedophiles while supporting all forms of sexual predators in their party.

Which alternate universe was planet Earth hurled into?
 
And now we have right wing bat crazy conspiracy nuts running for office.



And we thought the teabaggers were bad. These morons want to expose the deep state pedophiles while supporting all forms of sexual predators in their party.

Which alternate universe was planet Earth hurled into?

Gods. Probably we've always had crackpots like this among us, but until the Internet they didn't have a voice. Now any nitwit who can type can make a name for him/herself in the dark freaky corners of society.
 
"WASHINGTON — The Trump administration is preparing to significantly limit the scientific and medical research that the government can use to determine public health regulations, overriding protests from scientists and physicians who say the new rule would undermine the scientific underpinnings of government policymaking.

A new draft of the Environmental Protection Agency proposal, titled Strengthening Transparency in Regulatory Science, would require that scientists disclose all of their raw data, including confidential medical records, before the agency could consider an academic study’s conclusions. E.P.A. officials called the plan a step toward transparency and said the disclosure of raw data would allow conclusions to be verified independently."
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"Public health experts warned that studies that have been used for decades — to show, for example, that mercury from power plants impairs brain development, or that lead in paint dust is tied to behavioral disorders in children — might be inadmissible when existing regulations come up for renewal.

For instance, a groundbreaking 1993 Harvard University project that definitively linked polluted air to premature deaths, currently the foundation of the nation’s air-quality laws, could become inadmissible. When gathering data for their research, known as the Six Cities study, scientists signed confidentiality agreements to track the private medical and occupational histories of more than 22,000 people in six cities. They combined that personal data with home air-quality data to study the link between chronic exposure to air pollution and mortality.

But the fossil fuel industry and some Republican lawmakers have long criticized the analysis and a similar study by the American Cancer Society, saying the underlying data sets of both were never made public, preventing independent analysis of the conclusions."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/11/climate/epa-science-trump.html
Everything about this administration reeks. Thankfully it will all be over soon, albeit after quite a bit of damage to society.
 
Everything about this administration reeks. Thankfully it will all be over soon, albeit after quite a bit of damage to society.

Let's hope most of the damage can be mitigated by keeping his insane orders tied up in the courts till sanity can resume.
 
Let's hope most of the damage can be mitigated by keeping his insane orders tied up in the courts till sanity can resume.
He's stacked the courts pretty well. Certain demographics were warned about the '16 election, and the courts. They couldn't be bothered to vote because....Sanders.
 
"WASHINGTON — The Trump administration is preparing to significantly limit the scientific and medical research that the government can use to determine public health regulations, overriding protests from scientists and physicians who say the new rule would undermine the scientific underpinnings of government policymaking.

A new draft of the Environmental Protection Agency proposal, titled Strengthening Transparency in Regulatory Science, would require that scientists disclose all of their raw data, including confidential medical records, before the agency could consider an academic study’s conclusions. E.P.A. officials called the plan a step toward transparency and said the disclosure of raw data would allow conclusions to be verified independently."
***
"Public health experts warned that studies that have been used for decades — to show, for example, that mercury from power plants impairs brain development, or that lead in paint dust is tied to behavioral disorders in children — might be inadmissible when existing regulations come up for renewal.

For instance, a groundbreaking 1993 Harvard University project that definitively linked polluted air to premature deaths, currently the foundation of the nation’s air-quality laws, could become inadmissible. When gathering data for their research, known as the Six Cities study, scientists signed confidentiality agreements to track the private medical and occupational histories of more than 22,000 people in six cities. They combined that personal data with home air-quality data to study the link between chronic exposure to air pollution and mortality.

But the fossil fuel industry and some Republican lawmakers have long criticized the analysis and a similar study by the American Cancer Society, saying the underlying data sets of both were never made public, preventing independent analysis of the conclusions."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/11/climate/epa-science-trump.html

The Left's Bow to Authority Claim of Scientific Validity: "WE ALWAYS DONE IT THAT WAY!!!"
 
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He's stacked the courts pretty well. Certain demographics were warned about the '16 election, and the courts. They couldn't be bothered to vote because....Sanders.

*sigh* True. Dark, dark days for this country.

If the economy is as great as the Toadstool & Sycophants claim, what's the rush then to roll back environmental protections? Seems if it's so great now, it got that way regardless of so-called "business-stifling regulations," eh?
 
I suspect the vast majority of rightys believe ln science. The fact is the leaders of the right find profit in fighting environmental laws. They have decided that more profits in their lifetimes trumps keeping the future cleaner for those who follow. The Kochs and others on top are trading more profit now for a dirtier future.
The elite rightys are not stupid. They are like Trump. They look no farther than what benefits themselves now.
 
I suspect the vast majority of rightys believe ln science. The fact is the leaders of the right find profit in fighting environmental laws. They have decided that more profits in their lifetimes trumps keeping the future cleaner for those who follow. The Kochs and others on top are trading more profit now for a dirtier future.
The elite rightys are not stupid. They are like Trump. They look no farther than what benefits themselves now.

Truth ^

The leaders of our first nation bands here are supposed to follow the "seven generations" rule. All decisions made are to be weighed with the future in mind -- "How will what we do today affect us seven generations down the road?" We would all do well to adopt that thinking ourselves. I was born in a time when no one really cared much about pollution and how it might affect health. Fortunately my elders realized that my generation (their children) and those after would suffer if we didn't clean up our nest. So they passed the legislation that created the EPA. As a result I -- and every other American -- has been able to breathe relatively clean air, and drink clean safe water. (Your results may vary in Flint.)

Unless we rid ourselves of 1) anti-education/anti-science morons, and 2) extreme partisanship, those bad old days will be coming back.
 
He's stacked the courts pretty well. Certain demographics were warned about the '16 election, and the courts. They couldn't be bothered to vote because....Sanders.

I am reasonably confident that the damage Trump is doing to the environment is reversible.

Once Trump loses the senate and the White House for the Republican Party, a Democratic administration has a lot influence simply through executive action, executive orders, and regulation through the executive agencies. Trump's executive orders can be tossed out the window. The good news is that Clean Water Act, Clean Air Act, Endangered Species Act are so popular with Americans, that even legal challenges purporting to undermine their legal authority are destined to be doomed. The danger is when Republicans try to weaken these laws, but to some extent that can be mitigated by having the Executive agencies under the control of sentient human beings, aka Democrats.
 
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