Moral Marianne Williamson: End The $26 Billion In Subsidies To Fossil Fuel Industry.

Truths we must consider in all our debates and deliberations:

We do not need MORE Government. We need LESS.

Nations do not become greater by having MORE Government. They become Fascistic. They become greater by allowing the most liberty for its citizens to pursue their own dreams goals and ambitions accepting the risk along the way.

No nation in the history of man has ever TAXED its way to prosperity.
 
On the contrary, I think she may be the most sane of all the candidates.

She thinks disease is caused by negative thoughts. If she gets the nomination, the Republicans are going to turn her New Age books into memes.

I think the same thing was said about Trump.

That's different. Republicans are a lot dumber and they like Trump because he's stupid too. Democrats are picky.
 
She thinks disease is caused by negative thoughts. If she gets the nomination, the Republicans are going to turn her New Age books into memes.



That's different. Republicans are a lot dumber and they like Trump because he's stupid too. Democrats are picky.

Post a link, proving that one party is smarter than another party, Pebble by Pebble.

I will wait.

From what I have seen from you, you are dumber than the pebbles in your name, Pebble by Pebble
 
Duh. They didn't elect her. Trump only won because so many people who usually vote Democrat decided not to vote at all.

You missed the point. If dims were picky they never would have nominated the worst candidate ever to run for president.
 
You missed the point. If dims were picky they never would have nominated the worst candidate ever to run for president.

Some Democrats actually did think she was the best choice. I totally disagree with that, but the point is that Democrats are more picky in who they support. So many Republicans recognized Trump for what he really is, but once he got the nomination, they all fell in line.
 
Hello Celticguy,


This piece is written by somebody in the industry being criticized, and it reads as such.

The first thing the article does is get sidetracked into semantics. It argues that what is going on doesn't meet the defiinition of the word 'subsidy.' Since the government is not paying this amount to industry, and simply allowing industry to skip paying this much taxes, that means it's not really a subsidy. The truth is whether we collect the full taxes and then give them a subsidy check, or simply give them an equal tax break, it's the same amount of money.

If this semantic argument really was effective, the article writer could stop right there. Argument over on a technicality. Conservative representatives of big dirty energy win, liberals lose.

Why say any more?

I'll tell you why.

Because the author knows the above is not a winning argument.

Then he goes on to throw more stuff up against the wall, just to see what of it might stick, if any.

He argues that money gets taxed twice in MLP's, so it's only right to get out of one of those levels of taxation. Well guess what. Money gets taxed over and over and over in every part of the economy. You go to a store and buy something. There's tax. The store owner earns some money. That's taxed as income. Happens all the time. Not a convincing argument either.

Then he thinks drilling costs should be a write-off. Excuse me. That's the business. Since when should government assist in the expenses of a very profitable for-profit business?

And there's the laughably lame argument that since their income from sucking the oil out of the Earth we all live on will be taxed, that they should neither own the land or part of the ocean they set up on, nor pay any royalties for it. Talk about greed!

Next up is allowing the value of the location to be depleted on paper over the years so they pay lower taxes. This has nothing to do with how much oil is extracted, they are just seeing a loophole and wanting to take it.

Then there's a big tax break for keeping manufacturing operations in the USA. Sounds good, right? We want that. Well, here's a better idea. Universal health care. If a government program provided health care our manufacturers would be more competitive on the world market because they would have no labor health care expense. Those expenses can be considerable. This would give American businesses all kinds of extra money. It's hard to figure why they are against it. Seems dumb to leave money on the table when they are in the business of making money.

Then he attacks consumption incentives. These are described: Consumption incentives range from direct subsidies to low income households for heating oil to tax breaks for farmers, and the US military. Wow. We wouldn't want to pull that, would we? Well how about we just require the energy providers to reduce their prices to these consumers by the same amount? Everybody needs heat. It is amoral for energy production and distribution to turn basics into a 'pay or freeze' situation, (akin to your money or your life) but that's basically what many would do without the subsidies. And they would have no choice but to freeze. So if government doesn't pay them, the energy companies don't get them. That's how that works.

You just knew going into the article from the top when he tried to argue semantics, and the definition of a word, that he was tossing anything out there to see whatever might float.
 
Hello Celticguy,



This piece is written by somebody in the industry being criticized, and it reads as such.

The first thing the article does is get sidetracked into semantics. It argues that what is going on doesn't meet the defiinition of the word 'subsidy.' Since the government is not paying this amount to industry, and simply allowing industry to skip paying this much taxes, that means it's not really a subsidy. The truth is whether we collect the full taxes and then give them a subsidy check, or simply give them an equal tax break, it's the same amount of money.

If this semantic argument really was effective, the article writer could stop right there. Argument over on a technicality. Conservative representatives of big dirty energy win, liberals lose.

Why say any more?

I'll tell you why.

Because the author knows the above is not a winning argument.

Then he goes on to throw more stuff up against the wall, just to see what of it might stick, if any.

He argues that money gets taxed twice in MLP's, so it's only right to get out of one of those levels of taxation. Well guess what. Money gets taxed over and over and over in every part of the economy. You go to a store and buy something. There's tax. The store owner earns some money. That's taxed as income. Happens all the time. Not a convincing argument either.

Then he thinks drilling costs should be a write-off. Excuse me. That's the business. Since when should government assist in the expenses of a very profitable for-profit business?

And there's the laughably lame argument that since their income from sucking the oil out of the Earth we all live on will be taxed, that they should neither own the land or part of the ocean they set up on, nor pay any royalties for it. Talk about greed!

Next up is allowing the value of the location to be depleted on paper over the years so they pay lower taxes. This has nothing to do with how much oil is extracted, they are just seeing a loophole and wanting to take it.

Then there's a big tax break for keeping manufacturing operations in the USA. Sounds good, right? We want that. Well, here's a better idea. Universal health care. If a government program provided health care our manufacturers would be more competitive on the world market because they would have no labor health care expense. Those expenses can be considerable. This would give American businesses all kinds of extra money. It's hard to figure why they are against it. Seems dumb to leave money on the table when they are in the business of making money.

Then he attacks consumption incentives. These are described: Consumption incentives range from direct subsidies to low income households for heating oil to tax breaks for farmers, and the US military. Wow. We wouldn't want to pull that, would we? Well how about we just require the energy providers to reduce their prices to these consumers by the same amount? Everybody needs heat. It is amoral for energy production and distribution to turn basics into a 'pay or freeze' situation, (akin to your money or your life) but that's basically what many would do without the subsidies. And they would have no choice but to freeze. So if government doesn't pay them, the energy companies don't get them. That's how that works.

You just knew going into the article from the top when he tried to argue semantics, and the definition of a word, that he was tossing anything out there to see whatever might float.

What that article does is demonsteate that $26b is not just handed over from tax payers.
Your girl oversimplifies.

That said i do not object to eliminating ALL subsidies.
And by "all" i mean "all". Ethanol, battery cars, whathave you.
 
Public funding of elections is a painfully stupid idea that would lead to Fascism.



Not really; did you know that lobbying is the only profession protected by the Constitution?



This is a naive proposition. As long as there are dishonest politicians willing to promise low IQ voters something for nothing, there will be BIG dollars used in campaigns.



The media is no longer objective or neutral. It is basically an arm of the Progressive leftist arm of the DNC. Naive to think that they care about letting people decide without trying to massively influence the vote towards Democrats.



Not gonna happen.



Not gonna happen.



Correct.



Correct.

There is a way to reduce the bullshit; term limits on the House and Senate and the Fair Tax initiative. Anything less is merely window dressing.

All term limits do is increase the number of pols being bought. It would force special interests to expand what would become an expanded farm system (please note that this is what Soros already did with BO etal).
 
All term limits do is increase the number of pols being bought. It would force special interests to expand what would become an expanded farm system (please note that this is what Soros already did with BO etal).

I disagree. Part of the problem today is a permanent political class that gets re-elected by promising people free shit. Take away the long term incentive and there is no reason to do anything BUT the job; which is ensuring Americans get to keep more of what they earn and are not inhibited by massive amounts of legislation.
 
Hello StoneByStone,



On the contrary, I think she may be the most sane of all the candidates.

No chance of winning?

That sounds familiar.

I think the same thing was said about Trump.

I don't agree that she is more sane than anyone else on the debate stage, but I go believe she is touching on the issues which others are not.
 
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Some Democrats actually did think she was the best choice. I totally disagree with that, but the point is that Democrats are more picky in who they support. So many Republicans recognized Trump for what he really is, but once he got the nomination, they all fell in line.
You didn't expect them to vote for the worst candidate in a generation to run, did you?
 
I disagree. Part of the problem today is a permanent political class that gets re-elected by promising people free shit. Take away the long term incentive and there is no reason to do anything BUT the job; which is ensuring Americans get to keep more of what they earn and are not inhibited by massive amounts of legislation.

Consider Eric Cantor...
No marketable skills, straight into politics. Get booted for paying too much attention to his political career and not his constituants. But he got welcomed into a cushy job.
They all do.
Add term limits and they will too.
One term and you get the LIFETIME benefits but its the "thank you" jobs that they will be happy to take.
 
Consider Eric Cantor...
No marketable skills, straight into politics. Get booted for paying too much attention to his political career and not his constituants. But he got welcomed into a cushy job.
They all do.
Add term limits and they will too.
One term and you get the LIFETIME benefits but its the "thank you" jobs that they will be happy to take.

Once again I would beg to disagree. They only have the ability to get civilian jobs in a lobbying industry based on their ability to influence legislation.

Again you missed the second part regarding eliminating the IRS tax code and supplanting it with a FAIR Tax. They must go hand in hand. Then, all the incentives for being a professional politician promising free shit are lost.
 
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