Socialism Pt 3: Socialism that trump loves

ThatOwlWoman said:
I am very interested to find out who, exactly, is receiving this bailout money. The word "farmer" evokes a sympathetic mental picture of a man in overalls, working hard with the help of his family, to manage a hundred acres or so growing corn, beans, maybe some hogs or cattle as well. But how many "farmers" are actually huge corporate concerns? How are they receiving this money? Is it based on acreage farmed? Last year's tax return? Is the corporate farm a holder of a massive amount of acreage, which is then leased to those individual farmers who actually do all the hard work? If so, do those farmers benefit in any way from the bailout, or does the corporation keep it? How does this stuff all work?
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Did you know that most farmers set themselves up as corporations for tax reasons?
 
CFM said:
You're the one claiming it is. Tell us how it is.

Before you try but fail, consider whether or not it involves a government owned means of production.
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It is socialism. The Dept of Agriculture has welfare programs in place for most crops (and most farmers, whether they are corporations or not). These welfare programs buy the crops that people don't want, then destroy the crop. You are being taxed for this to happen. So are the other farmers. The government is stealing YOUR wealth to pay off unproductive farmers.
 
Into the Night said:
It is socialism. The Dept of Agriculture has welfare programs in place for most crops (and most farmers, whether they are corporations or not). These welfare programs buy the crops that people don't want, then destroy the crop. You are being taxed for this to happen. So are the other farmers. The government is stealing YOUR wealth to pay off unproductive farmers.
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Still not socialism. Your explanation is a fallacy.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Obama didn't create the great recession, obviously, but I sure do recall the screaming from the Reichwing about "socialism" when we had to bail out the big American automakers in order to keep them from going under and taking thousands of jobs with them. I bet you do, too. What is the difference between bailing out GM, and bailing out farmers? Only one difference: This bailout is solely Trump's baby. He spawned it and gave birth to it. Why aren't the Teatards and Reichwingers screaming NOW?
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I do recall, & you are 100% correct, trump.......

socialism, debt, killing someone on 5th ave, he can do no wrong..
 
CFM said:
Do you think those that were required to pay into a system shouldn't take SS and use Medicare? Perhaps those receiving food stamps shouldn't get them unless they've paid the taxes that fund them.
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Indeed.
 
CFM said:
The argument put forth by your kind is that unless the government owns the means of production it's not socialism. Why do you change the stance when it's convenient?
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Again, any time Gov't involves itself in the economy it is socialistic, by definition, a City Fire Dept is socialistic, in fact, in the 19th Century some fire departments were privately owned

No "change of stance," fact
 
reagansghost said:
socialism a buzzword, a dog whistle for conservatives
they gladly collect their SS, use Medicare extensively and are happy to receive food stamps the moment the cupboard goes bare
just a cudgel to beat liberals with
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Well said! A cudgel that few of them know the real meaning of.
 
Bill said:
I do recall, & you are 100% correct, trump.......
socialism, debt, killing someone on 5th ave, he can do no wrong..
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Clinton + BJ = evil
Toadstool + multiple affairs = meh
Obama + "You can keep your doctor" = horrible liar
Toadstool + 10,000+ documented lies = meh
Obama + "Trayvon could have been my son" = racist divider
Toadstool + dozens of documented racist tweets, actions, and verbal statements = meh
Obama + economic recovery/rising markets = pure chance
Toadstool + rising markets = genius
 
Bill said:
I have not seen the exact details of this socialist endeavor but, as you suspect, it is the big boys reaping the rewards..

Really had Obama done this is there any doubt these defenders would be screaming socialist if Obama was passing out cash to his supporters to cover for his stupid blunders.............

Yep, socialism for his buddies, hard cold capitalism for us..............
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Learn what socialism is, then get back to us. This ain't it.
 
archives said:
Any Gov't involvement in the economy is socialistic, in pure capitalism the farmers would be on their own
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Another dumb leftist that doesn't understand the definition:

socialism
[ soh-shuh-liz-uh m ]

noun
a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
 
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