$1B Climate Change Denial Industry: Getting Rich Telling Lies: open discussion

[Into the Night]

No two socks are identical- and there have been no claims to the contrary. Your fantasy , paleoclimatology-free , world is still exclusive to you.
And him, of course. Your sock, that is.

No, paleoclimatology is YOU fantasy. It's a lame attempt to dress up the meaningless term 'climate change' into a fancy sounding word. It is just as meaningless as 'climate change' itself.

 

[Into the Night]

Thermal energy does. Shit does not. Nor water or any other molecule.

Thermal energy does not travel through space.

 

[Into the Night]

Truth Deflector you fucking Turd.
So stupid that you are taken as a given in stupidity polls.
You know I have you on ignore, why waste your bloviations?

Bulverism fallacy. You are doing the equivalent of, "NANANANANANANA! I can't HEAR you!".

I guess you never got out of your high chair.

 

[Into the Night]

Clive Best has a terrific explanation of how the Greenhouse Effect actually operates, it's much more complicated than many realise and not really akin to a greenhouse anyway.

http://clivebest.com/blog/?p=1169

Sorry, this denies physics. The Stefan-Boltzmann law has no frequency term. All frequencies of light are considered.

Absorption of visible light does not result in much heating. It results in chemical reactions, such as photosynthesis or how your own retinas work.
Absorption of infrared light is what increases thermal energy. Most of the energy from the Sun is infrared light.

Absorption of certain frequencies of infrared light by CO2 does not warm the Earth. It is just another way for the surface to cool itself by heating the atmosphere above it.

* You cannot heat a warmer surface using a colder gas.
* You cannot reduce the radiance of Earth while increasing its temperature.
* There is no such thing as 'net' heat.

 

[Truth Detector]

He is talking about energy, not water. Energy from the Sun arrives through space. Basking in its energy, Earth also radiates everything it absorbs from that energy back into space. In both cases, this energy is in the form of electromagnetic energy (light).

According to the Stefan-Boltzmann Law, it is not possible to decrease the radiance of Earth and increase its temperature at the same time. Rune and other members of the Church of Global Warming don't get that. They deny science.

Agreed.

 

[gfm7175]

Your use of a smaller bird?

Ha! That did make me laugh a bit.


My bird avatar is of a Gray Catbird, and I have numerous reasons for choosing it as my avatar. Catbirds happen to be my favorite type of bird, as I commonly see and hear them when I'm out and about on my hiking/photography adventures. Catbirds also tend to have A LOT of personality, of which I find to be quite humorous and enjoyable.

Their typical call is very distinctive from other bird calls (hence the feline that they are named after), yet they can also mimic many other bird calls (many of their mimic attempts are pretty darn accurate too!!). I have personally witnessed a catbird doing this multiple times, and in one instance, I even video-recorded a catbird mimicking another bird's call before seamlessly reverting back to its own "mewing" call, showing that it was indeed the same bird that was making both types of calls.

Another reason why I use a catbird as my avatar is because they remind me of Conservatism in a way. I am a fan of their "pro-individualism" mindset, ie, their unwillingness to raise other birds' eggs, such as what cowbirds attempt forcing other birds to do. Cowbirds really do, on the other hand, remind me of the Democrat Party. Cowbirds always force other birds to raise their own young, often to the point where those other birds are not able to adequately care for their OWN young.

Most birds enable this type of behavior from the cowbird, but personally, I get great enjoyment out of the catbird's response to the cowbird's scheming. Catbirds (in most instances, anyway) properly learn what their own eggs look like, and will completely and utterly reject any egg that does not look like the one that they learned, tossing out the "violating eggs" from their nests.

There are, sadly, some rare instances in which the devious cowbird "tricks" the catbird into memorizing the wrong egg, (ie, when a catbird ends up seeing the cowbird egg first, so it ends up memorizing the appearance of the foreign egg instead of the appearance of its own egg). In that rare instance, the catbird's defense mechanism ends up biting itself in the ass, resulting in the catbird tossing out its own eggs instead. But gladly, in most cases, the catbird gets it right!

 

[Into the Night]

Clive Best explains very succinctly how the warming hiatus has been removed, this is not an accidental action and appears to amount to deliberate tampering of the data. I sincerely hope that Will Happer and his PCCS committee look into this.


Whatever happened to the Global Warming Hiatus?

The last IPCC assessment in 2013 showed a clear pause in global warming lasting 16 years from 1998 to 2012 – the notorious hiatus. As a direct consequence of this AR5 estimates of climate sensitivity were reduced and CMIP5 models appeared to clearly overestimate trends. Following the first release of HadCRUT4 in 2012 the ‘headline’ that followed was that 2005 and 2010 were now marginally warmer than 1998. This was the first dent in removing the hiatus. Since then each new version of H4 has showed further incremental warming trends, such that by 2019 the hiatus has now completely vanished. Anyone mentioning it today is likely to be ridiculed by the climate science community. So how did this reversal happen within just 7 years? I decided to find out exactly why the post 1998 temperature record changed so dramatically in such a short period of time.

In what follows I always use the same algorithm as CRU for the station data and then blend that with the Hadley SST data. I have checked that I can reproduce exactly the latest HadCRUT4.6 results based on the current 7820 stations from CRU merged with HadSST3. Back in 2012 I downloaded the original station data from CRU – CRUTEM3. I have also downloaded the latest CRUTEM4 station data.

http://clivebest.com/blog/?p=8934

There is no data. There never was. It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. We don't have anywhere near enough thermometers. The thermometers we do have are not uniformly placed. They are not read at the same time by the same authority.

* Time is significant. Storms move, the Earth spins, the orbit is not perfectly circular, and the tilt of our axis produces ever changing seasons. This factor MUST be eliminated. Thermometers MUST be read at the same time by the same authority.
* Location grouping is significant. Multiple thermometers in one area do not measure another area where there are no thermometers. This factor MUST be eliminated. Thermometers MUST be uniformly spaced.
* Cooking data is not allowed. Raw data MUST be used. Selection MUST be by randN. Cooked data is useless.
* Margin of error MUST be calculated in any statistical summary. The variance source must be declared and justified. Temperature gradients as steep as 20 deg F per mile are not uncommon.
* Statistical math can summarize data, but it cannot predict, due to it's use of random numbers. Importing random numbers from another Domain renders the inherent power of prediction in mathematics void.
* Satellites are incapable of measuring absolute temperatures. The emissivity of Earth is unknown.

Anyone suggesting they know the temperature of the Earth, or even a region of the Earth, is making an argument from randU fallacy. It is making up numbers and calling them 'data'.

 

[Into the Night]

Ha! That did make me laugh a bit.


My bird avatar is of a Gray Catbird, and I have numerous reasons for choosing it as my avatar. Catbirds happen to be my favorite type of bird, as I commonly see and hear them when I'm out and about on my hiking/photography adventures. Catbirds also tend to have A LOT of personality, of which I find to be quite humorous and enjoyable.

Their typical call is very distinctive from other bird calls (hence the feline that they are named after), yet they can also mimic many other bird calls (many of their mimic attempts are pretty darn accurate too!!). I have personally witnessed a catbird doing this multiple times, and in one instance, I even video-recorded a catbird mimicking another bird's call before seamlessly reverting back to its own "mewing" call, showing that it was indeed the same bird that was making both types of calls.

Another reason why I use a catbird as my avatar is because they remind me of Conservatism in a way. I am a fan of their "pro-individualism" mindset, ie, their unwillingness to raise other birds' eggs, such as what cowbirds attempt forcing other birds to do. Cowbirds really do, on the other hand, remind me of the Democrat Party. Cowbirds always force other birds to raise their own young, often to the point where those other birds are not able to adequately care for their OWN young.

Most birds enable this type of behavior from the cowbird, but personally, I get great enjoyment out of the catbird's response to the cowbird's scheming. Catbirds (in most instances, anyway) properly learn what their own eggs look like, and will completely and utterly reject any egg that does not look like the one that they learned, tossing out the "violating eggs" from their nests.

There are, sadly, some rare instances in which the devious cowbird "tricks" the catbird into memorizing the wrong egg, (ie, when a catbird ends up seeing the cowbird egg first, so it ends up memorizing the appearance of the foreign egg instead of the appearance of its own egg). In that rare instance, the catbird's defense mechanism ends up biting itself in the ass, resulting in the catbird tossing out its own eggs instead. But gladly, in most cases, the catbird gets it right!

Sounds like a bird I would like. We don't have them here, but I do like birds with personality. Around here, my favorite bird is the barn swallow. They tearass around the grass at low altitude like little fighter planes while they chase bugs, then sit on the wire and chortle about their catch to each other.

 

[gfm7175]

Sounds like a bird I would like. We don't have them here, but I do like birds with personality.

You definitely would! They sure are a hoot to observe.

Around here, my favorite bird is the barn swallow. They tearass around the grass at low altitude like little fighter planes while they chase bugs, then sit on the wire and chortle about their catch to each other.

Good pick! They're probably my #2 favorite bird, right behind the catbird. We got plenty of barn swallows around here too. Akin to the catbird being a rather intelligent bird, barn swallows are also quite intelligent themselves. The barn swallows on my property recognize the sound of my riding lawn mower, so they all flock towards me (not much above head level) once I turn the mower on. They proceed to follow me all around my property as I mow it. They love it when I kick up mosquitoes and such from the grass like that.

 

[gfm7175]

The reason politihack creates his echo chambers is so they can all pat themselves on the back and show us how enlightened they are, while ignoring how moronic they sound. They also know they have no answers, which is why he doesn't want anyone in his thread that might pose such questions.

Yeah, it seems like he doesn't want his religion to be questioned. I see that he still allows me into his threads for the time being, so I've been participating within his echo chamber thread as well as ITN's open to anyone thread.

The fact that Al Gore made millions lying and fear mongering about climate catastrophes, then went and bought a mansion on the beach... yet the fear mongers still believe his nonsense. If he really thought oceans were going to rise so much, why by a multi million dollar mansion at sea level within a few hundred yards of the ocean?

Al Gore is such a joke. If he actually believed the BS that he spouts off, he would lead by example and wouldn't live in a McMansion that uses more electricity in one year than the average family uses in 20 years.... He'd instead be living in a much smaller sized home that uses much less electricity... Oh, but never fear!! He pays a small chuck of money into a "green power switch" program!!! What a dolt...

 

[Into the Night]

You definitely would! They sure are a hoot to observe.


Good pick! They're probably my #2 favorite bird, right behind the catbird. We got plenty of barn swallows around here too. Akin to the catbird being a rather intelligent bird, barn swallows are also quite intelligent themselves. The barn swallows on my property recognize the sound of my riding lawn mower, so they all flock towards me (not much above head level) once I turn the mower on. They proceed to follow me all around my property as I mow it. They love it when I kick up mosquitoes and such from the grass like that.

It's the gas powered lunch machine!

 

[Into the Night]

Yeah, it seems like he doesn't want his religion to be questioned. I see that he still allows me into his threads for the time being, so I've been participating within his echo chamber thread as well as ITN's open to anyone thread.

No need to participate in his thread. I import his stuff over here, and everyone else has already moved over here (since they were getting imported over here anyway). I continue to monitor his thread to import anything new, but there is no other activity over there.

If he wants to participate here, he is free to. I think he would rather sit in his own echo chamber and talk to himself and try to ignore what happened.

I'm pretty sure he's monitoring this thread, but just doesn't have the balls to post in it.

 

[gfm7175]

No need to participate in his thread. I import his stuff over here, and everyone else has already moved over here (since they were getting imported over here anyway). I continue to monitor his thread to import anything new, but there is no other activity over there.

I've noticed this as well. I've been enjoying inserting opposing viewpoints into his echo chamber, but I do see that your thread is already larger than his, and his has died off except for his back and forth with me, of which even that seems to have died off now. Apparently the echo chamber gets rather boring after a while and people would rather engage in open discussion instead where all voices can be heard.

If he wants to participate here, he is free to. I think he would rather sit in his own echo chamber and talk to himself and try to ignore what happened.

I'm pretty sure he's monitoring this thread, but just doesn't have the balls to post in it.

I have the same suspicions. It appears (judging by his disclaimer in his OP's) that he is well aware of the fact that people are going to create sister threads to his echo chamber threads and discuss the topic in those threads instead.


I am still eager to hear his response to your space station argument, IF he feels up to responding to it...

 

[Into the Night]

I've noticed this as well. I've been enjoying inserting opposing viewpoints into his echo chamber, but I do see that your thread is already larger than his, and his has died off except for his back and forth with me, of which even that seems to have died off now. Apparently the echo chamber gets rather boring after a while and people would rather engage in open discussion instead where all voices can be heard.


I have the same suspicions. It appears (judging by his disclaimer in his OP's) that he is well aware of the fact that people are going to create sister threads to his echo chamber threads and discuss the topic in those threads instead.


I am still eager to hear his response to your space station argument, IF he feels up to responding to it...

If he does, I will import it here (assuming he actually has an argument at all). You can respond to it here.

 

[Celticguy]

Thermal energy does not travel through space.

So it comes from the sun to here by magic ?

 

[Into the Night]

So it comes from the sun to here by magic ?

No. Thermal energy does not come from the Sun. The Sun puts out electromagnetic energy. That can travel through space. When infrared light is absorbed, the electromagnetic energy is converted to thermal energy. When infrared light is emitted by the surface, thermal energy is converted to electromagnetic energy.

 

[moon]

If the climate is changing, how do you describe a 'change'? There is no global climate, for there is no global weather.

Yes, there is global climate. The science of paleoclimatology studies and records the changes in the earth's climate over geological time.
There is even geological time, mutton-head. Haw, haw..........haw.

Yes, there is global weather. Regional weather around the globe is linked to the climate of that particular region, dumbass.
Yes, there is even regional weather, you pompous purveyor of poop .

I hope your pain threshold is high. Haw, haw.................haw.

 

[moon]

No. Thermal energy does not come from the Sun. The Sun puts out electromagnetic energy.

You're a desperate amateur, aren't you.
The sun's heat as experienced here is electromagnetic energy , which includes light in its spectrum, received and recorded through various forms of instrumentation. Skin is such an instrument.
So ' thermal energy ' is a component of electromagnetic radiation and your statement is half-assed horseshit.

Talking of skin- how thick is yours ?
Haw, haw............haw.



Seriously, monkey-bollox- You should shut your trap now and fuck off out of the Current Events forum before you become one. Haw, haw..................haw.
And take your sock with you.

 

[gfm7175]

Yes, there is global climate.

Can you please describe this "global climate" for us? For example, is the Earth hot and arid??

The science of paleoclimatology

Not science... just a fancy sounding word that is meaningless... much like "climate change"

studies and records the changes in the earth's climate over geological time.

No, it doesn't. There is no such thing as "Earth's climate" (it has MANY climates) and there is no way of measuring Earth's temperature, Earth's CO2 content, etc...

There is even geological time, mutton-head. Haw, haw..........haw.

Meh. That's the best insult you got?

Yes, there is global weather.

There is no such thing. Weather is very localized. One day, when I was driving home after bicycling on a state bike trail (WI sure does have lots of cool hiking/biking trails!!), I literally experienced (during maybe 15 minutes of driving time) perfect sunny weather in one location, a complete downpour of rain in another location, and then clearer with no rain again for the rest of my drive home. Three completely different weather conditions in three different nearby locations. So no, weather is not even close to being global.

Regional weather

Wait a second... You just got done telling me that weather is global. Now you're telling me that it's regional??

around the globe is linked to the climate of that particular region, dumbass.

Irrational. See above.

Yes, there is even regional weather, you pompous purveyor of poop .

Irrational. See above.

Nice alliterative insult, though!! I do enjoy alliterations!

I hope your pain threshold is high. Haw, haw.................haw.

Thanks for your concern, but I'll be fine.

 

[moon]

You're simply regurgitating crap that has already been debunked. That's known as ' repetitive trolling ', ergo- you are a repetitive troll.