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[StoneByStone]

But you wouldn’t understand the parts of the Bible you were trying to explain lol.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

The Christian bakers aren’t refusing to serve *the people* on account of their lifestyle choices, they are being compelled, by law, to violate their religious conscience. If they hang a sign on the door that says ‘no gays’—that’s different. They would happily serve gays but they draw the line at doing things that violate their conscience.

Yeah, yeah, and it violates my conscious to serve tall Swiss men with red hair.
Like I said, I agree that these laws are wrong. I say if it's a private business, you should be allowed to discriminate. But this has nothing to do with religion.

That is the state infringing on religious practice. A clear violation of the First Amendment with respect to ‘the free practice thereof’.

America never had complete freedom of religion. We always limited freedom of religion for certain reasons, such as the examples I gave earlier.

 

[StoneByStone]

What does your post have to do with a SC ruling, regarding one incident, and there was no "pretending", unless you have proof??

A court basically broke the law and used Christianity as the excuse. That's Christian privilege.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

A court basically broke the law and used Christianity as the excuse. That's Christian privilege.

UH, not they didn't and it was no excuse; because they could have purchased any cake he had BAKED, but he's not required to MAKE them one.

 

[Flash]

Yes, I disagree with these new rules too. I'm not using them as an excuse to bitch about trannies, but that's just me.
Anyway, the point is you're free to publicly talk about this, and even pretend it's a religious thing. You will not be arrested because, no matter what the Right says, Christians are not under attack in America.

And for many people, it has nothing to do with religion. Non-religious people have varied opinions on abortion, gay marriage, etc. A person may oppose gay marriage, for example, for completely non-religious reasons.

The "War on Christianity" charge by the right is as phony as the "War on Women" charge by the left.

 

[StoneByStone]

And for many people, it has nothing to do with religion. Non-religious people have varied opinions on abortion, gay marriage, etc. A person may oppose gay marriage, for example, for completely non-religious reasons.

The "War on Christianity" charge by the right is as phony as the "War on Women" charge by the left.

Exactly. A person can't discriminate against people based on sexual orientation, whether the reason for wanting to do so is religious or secular.

 

[Flash]

Exactly. A person can't discriminate against people based on sexual orientation, whether the reason for wanting to do so is religious or secular.

Unless it involves the constitutional right of freedom of religion which may trump civil rights laws against discrimination (depending on the circumstances).

 

[StoneByStone]

Unless it involves the constitutional right of freedom of religion which may trump civil rights laws against discrimination (depending on the circumstances).

It shouldn't, but I'm sure there have been cases where laws against discrimination are ignored for religious reasons.
Which, of course, would only further discredit the War on Christianity narrative.

 

[Flash]

It shouldn't, but I'm sure there have been cases where laws against discrimination are ignored for religious reasons.
Which, of course, would only further discredit the War on Christianity narrative.

What shouldn't? Constitutional rights shouldn't outweigh statutory law? They always have. There are many cases in which people have been exempted from secular laws if it violates their religious beliefs if it does no harm---schools requiring a pledge of allegiance, Amish children only attending school to the 8th grade, etc. Those do not involve anti-discrimination based on sexual orientation, but the recent case involving the baker is a good example (although his case was based on another issue).

 

[Darth Omar]

Whatever helps you sleep at night.



Yeah, yeah, and it violates my conscious to serve tall Swiss men with red hair.
Like I said, I agree that these laws are wrong. I say if it's a private business, you should be allowed to discriminate. But this has nothing to do with religion.



America never had complete freedom of religion. We always limited freedom of religion for certain reasons, such as the examples I gave earlier.

I’m not completely free to practice my religion lol? What country am I in?

 

[StoneByStone]

What shouldn't? Constitutional rights shouldn't outweigh statutory law? They always have. There are many cases in which people have been exempted from secular laws if it violates their religious beliefs if it does no harm---schools requiring a pledge of allegiance, Amish children only attending school to the 8th grade, etc. Those do not involve anti-discrimination based on sexual orientation, but the recent case involving the baker is a good example (although his case was based on another issue).

Requiring kids to say the pledge of allegiance isn't law. And if it is, that's a whole different problem. And Amish kids still need to attend private school or home-schooling if they don't want to go to High School.

While I don't like the anti-discrimination laws, I don't want religious loopholes in them. If a law is bad, it should be changed, it shouldn't be ignored because the angels said so.

 

[StoneByStone]

I’m not completely free to practice my religion lol? What country am I in?

No country has full religious freedom. And would you want that? Would you want to be captured and sold into slavery by people who say their religion tells them to do this?

 

[Flash]

Requiring kids to say the pledge of allegiance isn't law. And if it is, that's a whole different problem. And Amish kids still need to attend private school or home-schooling if they don't want to go to High School.

While I don't like the anti-discrimination laws, I don't want religious loopholes in them. If a law is bad, it should be changed, it shouldn't be ignored because the angels said so.

Saying the pledge was (and still is in many places) a law and students were suspended for not saying it and parents were charged with keeping their kids out of school. Amish kids may need to get more schooling but the Supreme Court ruled they are exempted from compulsory attendance laws and they are not required to get education further than the 8th grade.

The religious loopholes are provided by the 1st Amendment.

 

[StoneByStone]

Saying the pledge was (and still is in many places) a law and students were suspended for not saying it and parents were charged with keeping their kids out of school. Amish kids may need to get more schooling but the Supreme Court ruled they are exempted from compulsory attendance laws and they are not required to get education further than the 8th grade.

That's absolutely terrible. I don't like throwing around the word Fascist, since it's used way too much, but forcing kids to pledge allegiance to the country is pretty Fascisty. And saying kids are exempt from High School because of religion is just asinine.
So yeah, not only is Christianity not under attack, but some Christians have rights they shouldn't have.

 

[Yurt]

Only if Jewish and Japanese people get reparations.

 

[artichoke]

I venture to say most blacks would see it as being divisive.

Everything liberals do involving race is about being divisive while accusing others of being divisive.

 

[artichoke]

You already tried this copy and paste bullshit post with me.

"Tried"...like it's some kind of dirty trick to provide a plethora of evidence of what you're claiming doesn't happen happening all day, every day, all across the country? Seriously, lay down the crack pipe.

I pointed out that these people were punished for homophobia and transphobia, not being Christian.

Punished...for being against homosexuality, perversion, and mental illness...based on being Christian...hence, punished for being Christian. Try to keep up.

If a Nigerian is arrested for yelling violent threats at people, that is not racism against Nigerians. That does not mean the evil Left is trying to eradicate Nigerians.

Idiotic apples and oranges fallacy. Yelling violent threats at people isn't a tenant of Christianity...and yelling violent threats at people crosses into violating another person's rights, whereas opting out of participating and endorsing in homosexual marriage, for instance, violates no one's rights. Try again, brainiac.

The truth is, you just don't like that Christians are held to the same standards as everyone else.

The same standard...in the sense that literally no one else is being ordered to violate their beliefs, jailed, fined, sued into bankruptcy, and silenced for their religion. Yes, except for in every sense of the word, the standard Christians are being held to is exactly the "same." What a fucking idiot.

You want to be able to spout hate speech,

Translation: YOU want to be able to smear anything you don't like as hate speech.

and probably do hate crimes,

Political violence is the left's gig, not mine. Try again.

Of course, if it was a Muslim doing it, then it would be wrong, correct?

Muslims...the people you defend as a religion of peace and tolerance, execute homosexuals all over the world, as part of their bloodthirsty death cult's teachings. Funny you should bring up the one group of people that prove everything you are saying to be a lie. And for the record, Muslims aren't forced to violate their religion even when they go out of their way to take jobs that violate their religious views...

Muslim Truck Drivers Fired for Refusing to Deliver Beer Awarded $240K

 

[StoneByStone]

"Tried"...like it's some kind of dirty trick to provide a plethora of evidence of what you're claiming doesn't happen happening all day, every day, all across the country? Seriously, lay down the crack pipe.



Punished...for being against homosexuality, perversion, and mental illness...based on being Christian...hence, punished for being Christian. Try to keep up.



Idiotic apples and oranges fallacy. Yelling violent threats at people isn't a tenant of Christianity...and yelling violent threats at people crosses into violating another person's rights, whereas opting out of participating and endorsing in homosexual marriage, for instance, violates no one's rights. Try again, brainiac.





The same standard...in the sense that literally no one else is being ordered to violate their beliefs, jailed, fined, sued into bankruptcy, and silenced for their religion. Yes, except for in every sense of the word, the standard Christians are being held to is exactly the "same." What a fucking idiot.



Translation: YOU want to be able to smear anything you don't like as hate speech.



Political violence is the left's gig, not mine. Try again.

Muslims...the people you defend as a religion of peace and tolerance, execute homosexuals all over the world, as part of their bloodthirsty death cult's teachings. Funny you should bring up the one group of people that prove everything you are saying to be a lie. And for the record, Muslims aren't forced to violate their religion even when they go out of their way to take jobs that violate their religious views...

Muslim Truck Drivers Fired for Refusing to Deliver Beer Awarded $240K

TL ; DR

 

[artichoke]

Your rights end where someone else's rights begin.

Which you are the only one here failing to comprehend. Free religious exercise is a right. Forcing others to endorse and participate in your lifestyle is not a right. Seriously. Crack open a book sometime.

You're free to worship your imaginary friend all you want, but you're not allowed to stone gay people to death,

Only your "religion of peace" does that, imbecile.

 

[artichoke]

Sorry.
No, not really. Tough shit.

Saying, "Huh uh" only passes for a serious counterpoint among liberals.

 

[StoneByStone]

Which you are the only one here failing to comprehend. Free religious exercise is a right. The right to force others to endorse and participate in your lifestyle is not a right. Seriously. Crack open a book sometime.

No shit. Which is why it's not legal to force someone to endorse and participate in your lifestyle. Are gay people trying to force you to attend gay weddings or something?

Only your "religion of peace" does that, imbecile.

I'm not part of a religion, so not sure what you're imagining.