Bush says a Republican should run against dirty trump

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By GRAPH MASSARA

03/15/2019 10:35 AM EDT
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Jeb Bush said he thinks a fellow Republican should challenge President Donald Trump in 2020, according to a portion of an interview for the series “The Axe Files.”

The excerpt was tweeted by show host David Axelrod, a commentator and ex-adviser to former President Barack Obama. Axelrod’s interview with Bush, who went up against Trump in the 2016 Republican primary, is set to air on CNN at 7 p.m. on Saturday.

“I think someone should run just because Republicans ought to be given a choice,” Bush said. “It’s hard to beat a sitting president, but to have a conversation about what it is to be a conservative, I think it’s important.”

Axelrod wrote in a subsequent tweet that Bush, a former Florida governor, had been “incredibly candid on all fronts,” including on the state of the country and the Republican Party.

In the same interview, according to CNN, Bush also discussed a speech he gave at the inauguration of Maryland Republican Gov. Larry Hogan, who has yet to rule out a 2020 bid. Of Hogan’s own inaugural speech, Bush said he "kind of got a sense that maybe this was an opening" for Hogan to consider a presidential campaign.
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It's Trump's party now.

Trumpf is one of the most beloved and popular Republican presidents of the modern era.

A handful of message board posters, or a few failed Republican presidential candidates from the past do not get to define what conservatism is.

The Republican base, garden variety conservative voters get to decide what conservatism is.
The Republican base has demonstrated - and demonstrated overwhelmingly - how much they love Trump, and how popular he is with Republicans. How far they are willing to go to support and worship him.

Trump = Conservatism.

Conservatism = Trump.

A few elites might want to have a conversation about what conservatism is. But Republican voters - overwhelmingly - have already decided that Trump is what it represents.
 
Always nice to know Cypress is our go to in terms of who defines conservatism. Congrats on appointing yourself our arbitrator.
 
cawacko said:
Unfortunately for you there is only one Trump. There is no one else who can say and do what he does and get away with what he does. He is a cult of personality, not a movement. There is no one who can follow in his footsteps
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probably. The DC establishment is the Swamp and he Swamp protects itself
But 4 more year of Trump will build the wall (with re-election political capital),and we'll have a conservative SCOTUS and the Dems Progressive movement will be shown for what it is - a hollowed out bunch of pie in the sky statists promises..
Consider where we would be if Hillary and her PC liberalism had won. So Trump will change the path of the parties.

Trump is the best thing to have happened to Republicans
 
noise said:
probably. The DC establishment is the Swamp and he Swamp protects itself
But 4 more year of Trump will build the wall (with re-election political capital),and we'll have a conservative SCOTUS and the Dems Progressive movement will be shown for what it is - a hollowed out bunch of pie in the sky statists promises..
Consider where we would be if Hillary and her PC liberalism had won. So Trump will change the path of the parties.

Trump is the best thing to have happened to Republicans
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Remember, I was responding to ILA claiming he and others will never vote for an establishment type again. Who does that leave in the future post-Trump? There's almost no one that fits Trump's profile of being a non politician that can run for and win the Presidency, especially while using his rhetoric. He's not a sustainable model.
 
Cypress said:
It's Trump's party now.

Trumpf is one of the most beloved and popular Republican presidents of the modern era.

A handful of message board posters, or a few failed Republican presidential candidates from the past do not get to define what conservatism is.

The Republican base, garden variety conservative voters get to decide what conservatism is.
The Republican base has demonstrated - and demonstrated overwhelmingly - how much they love Trump, and how popular he is with Republicans. How far they are willing to go to support and worship him.

Trump = Conservatism.

Conservatism = Trump.

A few elites might want to have a conversation about what conservatism is. But Republican voters - overwhelmingly - have already decided that Trump is what it represents.
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Trump isn't conservative or a Republican!
He's a conman
 
cawacko said:
To me there is no one else who can do what Trump does. There's only one Trump. There are no "Trump Jr.'s" waiting in a Governorship, House seat or the Senate waiting to take over his mantle. You'd have to go outside politics and hope lightening strikes twice in electing someone to President with no government experience. Could it happen? Sure. Is it likely? I'd say no.
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Indeed, Trump is unique and there’s no Trump 2.0 in the wings.

But, Trump has broken down some barriers for future republicans. For example, contrary to received wisdom, a politician can rebel against climate change dogma and not commit political suicide. We can thank Trump for that. The next republican can push back—and push back hard, against the liberal media and not only will they survive politically but there’s a large bloc of voters that will cheer them on for doing it.

In fact, many of them are going to expect nothing less out of the next republican.
 
There is no Republican party. Trump took it over without a fight. He has about 85 percent of the reds on his side. No establishment Repub can get traction. Any who dare stand up to his insanity would be primaried out of poitics. Whethr they would be welcome back after Trump goes to jail is questionable.
 
It would be interesting to see the Republican party split into those who swallow the hook, line and sinker and those who are only hooked.

Either way, they are letting someone else control them.
 
Darth Beto Omar said:
Indeed, Trump is unique and there’s no Trump 2.0 in the wings.

But, Trump has broken down some barriers for future republicans. For example, contrary to received wisdom, a politician can rebel against climate change dogma and not commit political suicide. We can thank Trump for that. The next republican can push back—and push back hard, against the liberal media and not only will they survive politically but there’s a large bloc of voters that will cheer them on for doing it.

In fact, many of them are going to expect nothing less out of the next republican.
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I’d argue many republicans were fighting against climate prior to Trump. I don’t think Rubio or Cruz would have kept us in the Paris agreements.

And I’d argue Regan gave us the blue print for a Republican to deal with the (liberal) media. So not that trump isn’t pushing back against climate change proposals or the media but I dont think he’s broken new ground in these areas
 
cawacko said:
Remember, I was responding to ILA claiming he and others will never vote for an establishment type again. Who does that leave in the future post-Trump? There's almost no one that fits Trump's profile of being a non politician that can run for and win the Presidency, especially while using his rhetoric. He's not a sustainable model.
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While there is still time, assuming trump does not die in his sleep around 11am this morning, I think some great repub like this is what ya'll are looking for

 
cawacko said:
The world will go on past the 2020 election. Who is the next acceptable candidate after Trump?
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I can’t answer that question. I can say this. If it is a Ryan/Romney/Jeb type that is unacceptable to me

Look if the GOP is fine being Charlie Brown to the democrat party’s Lucy then let them. I don’t have to be a party to it

You are obviously comfortable in your role as the “loyal opposition” where the leftists want you.

I am not interested in people just trying to keep leftism in check. I am interested in people interested in defeating leftists. Period. Who will that be if anyone? I don’t know. But that is my baseline standard
 
Trump has verbally slaughtered the Repubs. What candidate has not already been insulted in Trump's miserable little speeches? He ridiculed them and Trumplestilskins all believe what the liar in chief says. There are no Republican candidates. Just the king of the Trump party.
 
Darth Beto Omar said:
Good point lol.

My point stands though: Trump changed the Republican Party and it’s not a cult of personality. Trump will be gone at some point but there are too many republicans that won’t go back to the McCain/Romney/Bush types of candidates.

It’ll be interesting to see how it turns out at some point.
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I disgree that Trump changed the party. I think that he has given voice to many who were ignored by the RINO establishment types. He awakened a sleeping giant
 
cawacko said:
To me there is no one else who can do what Trump does. There's only one Trump. There are no "Trump Jr.'s" waiting in a Governorship, House seat or the Senate waiting to take over his mantle. You'd have to go outside politics and hope lightening strikes twice in electing someone to President with no government experience. Could it happen? Sure. Is it likely? I'd say no.
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You sound more wishful than anything else.
 
Bill said:
While there is still time, assuming trump does not die in his sleep around 11am this morning, I think some great repub like this is what ya'll are looking for

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This comment isn't a defense of Trump but I didn't hear any liberals complain when Obama met with and took pictures with Louis Farrakhan. It's the partisanship, not the principle.
 
cawacko said:
This comment isn't a defense of Trump but I didn't hear any liberals complain when Obama met with and took pictures with Louis Farrakhan. It's the partisanship, not the principle.
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Why don't you start a thread & ask those that supported it instead of deflecting.. You have a comment of the clip???
 
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