3 Reasons Why Gillette's 'Toxic Masculinity' Ad Is Incredibly Stupid And Degrading

domer76 said:
When Havana stops spouse baiting, that’s when my responses to him stop. The ball has always been in his court, but he can’t let it go.
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I have him on ignore, that’s sad he does it, he hates when people insult his wife. You think he wouldn’t do it to others.
 
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toxic masculinity or "machismo"
 
evince said:
never said it wasn't


too much putin shit in your mouth is bad for you too ass munch
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So why are you running around stating basic things that everyone already knows? No one here said too much testosterone was good. You just keep finding words and tossing them out hoping they pertain to the conversation.
 
Cypress said:
I am not going to place much weight on an opinion article written by some dude I have never heard of.

I don't know what world you live in, but I cannot recall a single girlfriend, a single female relative, or a single female colleague in my life giving me an expectation that I needed act like a sissy, more feminized, or to tone down my initiative, drive, and competitiveness.

I am not a big fan of buzzwords, aka "virtue signaling", et al. but we all know exactly what is meant by toxic masculinity in real life and in tangible ways. One cannot spend any time on this board, on the internet, or in real life without knowing in a profound way that there is a segment of the male population that act like complete dicks, misogynists, and sexists. Hoy crap man, that is what 50% of the Trumpist movement is all about. (p.s., yes there are women sociopaths, psychos, and jackasses as well, that goes without saying)

Just because I know some dudes act like dicks, does not mean I internalize it and take it personally. A racist white man means exactly what it says. A racist man. I do not internalize it and assume it applies to me.

Trying to not be a dick to women, to gays, to Muslims, to Jews, and to other men is really not that controversial of a topic. In my experience, I cannot say I am aware of any concerted war on Men, wars on Christmas, or Wars on Easter. I just don't see it happening in real life. You know here I mostly see it happening? That's right. On Fox News, and in opinion columns mostly written by dudes.
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This holier than thou message brought to you by the boards resident leg humping rape apologizing misogynistic stalker.
 
Dark Soul said:
Look what happens when you fan the flames of sexism. Exactly mirrors what happened when The Obama fanned the flames of racism.
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Too bad you conflate shining the light of scorn upon a negative practice (sexual harassment/assault/racism/homophobia) as "fanning the flames."
 
Dark Soul said:
Look what happens when you fan the flames of sexism. Exactly mirrors what happened when The Obama fanned the flames of racism.
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LOL! No, you hilariously dishonest old whore, this commercial didn't fan 'the flames of sexism'.

Please have your primary care doctor prescribe you some balls, honey.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
"Toxic masculinity" is nothing more than a rebranding of "macho" or "machismo," terms used to describe men who behave like jerks in order to somehow demonstrate that they are more manly than regular guys.

Only those who see themselves in the mirror should be pout-raging over the words.
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Really? So the next time my Misses is on that PMS roller coaster ride it's ok to refer to it as toxic femininity or estrogen poisoning? It's the exact same logic. :)

Look I have a thick hide. Look how long I've put up with Grind. I'm not easily offended. I'm not losing any sleep by being called names by feminist. I'm just being objective. The phrase toxic masculinity is pejorative and therefore offensive. I'm using a fair and objective yard stick here. This is a concept that has no basis in science. It's psycho-babble jargon.

If you wouldn't say it to a woman, why would you say it to a man? Wouldn't it just be more fair and accurate to dispense with psuedoscientific jargon and just say what you really mean. "Stop being assholes"? :)


Wouldn't that be a better commercial anyway? Shave with Gillette...and DBAA! Most guys wouldn't be offended by that. They'd be like...ahight...if I have too.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Agreed but that doesn't change the fact that the term is pejorative and offensive. It's also a bunch of psuedoscientific nonsense and I'm saying that as a biologist. Masculinity is a biological state of being. It is an objective fact of reality. It is neither toxic or non toxic. Those are value judgements and in this case a pejorative one.

Sure, there are Saints and Assholes on every street corner but this doesn't change facts or reality. Just as there are lots of manipulative, hateful, catty women out there calling them "Bitches" is offensive in the very same way as calling Masculinity, manhood, the male state of being, "toxic" is offensive.

As I keep saying over and over again. Two wrongs never make a right.
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I think people spend way too much time getting hung up on lexicon and buzzwords.

To me, "toxic masculinity" is different from "masculinity", in the same way that "racist white man" is different from "white man".

Words mean what they say. I see no effort in those buzzwords to apply to all males. And therefore I do not internalize it or take it personally. That's my two cents.

The word games that these opinion columnists engage in do not appeal to me either. There is a difference between being competitive and driven versus being ruthless and merciless. There is a difference between being self-confident and being arrogant.

Michael Jordan was competitive and driven - but he seems like a nice guy.
The ENRON boys were ruthless and merciless. Trump is ruthless, arrogant and merciless.

I think normal people are able to make the distinction between those kinds of male behavior.
 
Cypress said:
I think people spend way too much time getting hung up on lexicon and buzzwords.

To me, "toxic masculinity" is different from "masculinity", in the same way that "racist white man" is different from "white man".

Words mean what they say. I see no effort in those buzzwords to apply to all males. And therefore I do not internalize it or take it personally. That's my two cents.

The word games that these opinion columnists engage in do not appeal to me either. There is a difference between being competitive and driven versus being ruthless and merciless. There is a difference between being self-confident and being arrogant.

Michael Jordan was competitive and driven - but he seems like a nice guy.
The ENRON boys were ruthless and merciless. Trump is ruthless, arrogant and merciless.

I think normal people are able to make the distinction between those kinds of male behavior.
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Yea of course...as The Boss said...There are Saints and Assholes on every street corner.

I mean they can call me anything but late for dinner and I don't really care. I just find it ironic that a lot of women seem nonplussed that a lot of men find the phrase offensive. I think it's obvious that the phrase is pejorative, provocative and used in an insulting manner. Therefore I conclude that it's rude and in poor taste to use the phrase.

Unless we're talking about Grind that is.
 
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