Remember when DEMOCRATS voted for secure borders?

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LegionCumGargler is not telling you that border crossings are very low, and the action is at the legal point of entry at the asylum centers.
 
A Border Wall Already Exists In Some Places. We Visited It. (see photos) Last year, our photographer visited the heavily guarded—and completely empty—parts of the 2,000-mile-long U.S.-Mexico border. BY DANIEL STONE PHOTOGRAPHS BY JAMES WHITLOW DELANO
President Trump ordered the construction today of a border wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. But there's at least one complication so far: a wall already exists in some areas. Last spring, we visited different parts of border—the ones heavily guarded with long lines for cars to cross, and the places where the two countries are separated by little more than dirt and trees. The border that Trump hopes the wall will protect is roughly 2,000 miles long. And the area spans diverse geology, including terrain not always hospitable or conducive to large-scale construction. (Trump hasn't said exactly how high he wants the wall to be, or how thick, although engineering and media critiques have questioned the feasibility of such a project.)
Piecemeal walls have been used before in the region, and some have been successful in stopping large scale operations of smuggling and illegal immigration. The Smuggler's Gulch fence was designed as part of a $60 million engineering project to fortify 3.5 miles of fencing between San Diego and Tijuana. Further east in Jacumba, California, a border wall was constructed in the mid-1990s to disrupt human and drug trafficking. The large stretches to the east and west are the areas Trump wants to fix, the places with a small border fence, if one at all. But photographer James Whitlow Delano learned during his time reporting along the border that walls alone don't solve such problems. In April of 2015, U.S. border patrol agents seized almost 70 pounds of amphetamines that drug smugglers had transported across the border. The border agents realized that to get around the wall between Calexico, California, and Mexicali, Mexico, the smugglers had found another way. They built a tunnel. https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/01/what-the-us-mexico-border-actually-looks-like/

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So should just give up on trying to enforce all laws because people will always try to find a way to defeat deterrents, right, fraudster?
 
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LegionCumGargler is not telling you that border crossings are very low, and the action is at the legal point of entry at the asylum centers.

McLiar is McLying about McIgnoring me, and he McForgot to post any evidence to support his contentions "that border crossings are very low, and the action is at the legal point of entry at the asylum centers."
 
Why do Dems suport building the fence but not the wall?

fence is physical barrier that is somewhat effective
( except apparently from that 19 year old pregnant woman who scaled it)

Shumer/Pelosi= "impractical" -it's not .
it's not the exact same design across the entire border due to geology but it's built to standards that scaling
even with a rope is tough. Definately now simple scaling like fences though

Pelosi = "it's immoral" - it's not.
There is nothing moral about desperados and coyotes smuggling in trains of people -
many carrying drugs across the border to die in the desert, or enter the USA illegally.

It's physically effective, cost effective and in long stretches of the border the best tool for border security.

Supporting a fence but not a wall is hypocritical politics
 
You better believe the Democrats wanted, and still want the fence and funded it originally! In fact, we recently happily re-funded it to complete it, as it was over budget and still not finished.

I don't see your point in this thread Opie!
 
You better believe the Democrats wanted, and still want the fence and funded it originally! In fact, we recently happily re-funded it to complete it, as it was over budget and still not finished.

I don't see your point in this thread Opie!
point? why build a less effective fence.
It's a one time cost either way. It acts as a key physical barrier coupled with mobile border patrol agents.
It stops illegal entry -or greatly reduces it
 
point? why build a less effective fence.
It's a one time cost either way. It acts as a key physical barrier coupled with mobile border patrol agents.
It stops illegal entry -or greatly reduces it

The fence serves it's purpose! Donald Trump needs to get something for his campaign promise to do something about immigration.

But, he needs to forget about building a bigger wall, and shift his attention to some of the other things the Border Patrol really needs.

Donald Trump can still keep his promise to help resolve some of the Immigration problems. There are a lot of Democrats and Republicans willing to help him. And there are a lot of things still needed to be done!

But, it won't be a 500 billion dollar useless wall! Sorry!

This would be the perfect time for Donald Trump to Challenge Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell to come up with an Immigration Bill that we can all live with, and have it on his desk no later than July 1st!

I know that that would shock most people- but it is the kind of shock we all need right now- even Donald Trump!
 
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The fence serves it's purpose! Donald Trump needs to get something for his campaign promise to do something about immigration.

But, he needs to forget about building a bigger wall, and shift his attention to some of the other things the Border Patrol really needs.

Donald Trump can still keep his promise to help resolve some of the Immigration problems. There are a lot of Democrats and Republicans willing to help him. And there are a lot of things still needed to be done!

But, it won't be a 500 billion dollar useless wall! Sorry!

This would be the perfect time for Donald Trump to Challenge Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell to come up with an Immigration Bill that we can all live with, and have it on his desk no later than July 1st!

I know that that would shock most people- but it is the kind of shock we all need right now- even Donald Trump!
the fence does not serve any purpose. it's easily bypassed. I've seen pictures where it's been burned thru with torches
 
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Supervisory Border Patrol Agent Victor Guzman points out a cut mark on the border fence west of Columbus, New Mexico, on Wednesday. Guzman, who has worked in the area for nearly a decade, said agents have found holes cut with torches and axes.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24070197/...ssers-use-torches-bungees-fence/#.XBD2geJ7mM9
 
Everybody’s Wrong: Donald Trump Won the Chuck-n-Nancy Meeting, and Here’s Why
https://www.thedailybeast.com/every...p-won-the-chuck-n-nancy-meeting-and-heres-why

Trump had home court advantage during Tuesday’s meeting. However, Chuck Schumer seemed especially outmatched by a very forceful Donald Trump. As Bill Kristol (no Trump apologist) put it: “ased on what I saw of their respective performances in that Oval Office meeting today, I don’t understand why it’s Nancy Pelosi who’s facing a leadership challenge and Chuck Schumer who isn’t.”

The mainstream media will focus on the immediate seriousness of a shutdown and lament the lack of civility in politics. But I suspect many Americans will see that there was something refreshing about Trump’s public stance.

Politicians often promise to drive a tough bargain (when rallying their base before an election), only to engage in conciliatory rhetoric when face to face with an adversary. The civilized “norm,” in other words, is to be a fake. But here—face to face with his adversaries—Trump defended his decision regarding a wall.

“I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck,” Trump declared. “Because the people of this country don’t want criminals and people that have lots of problems and drugs pouring into this country. So I will take the mantle, I will be the one to shut it down. I won’t blame you for it.”

There was something charming about this—and it’s precisely because there was something phony about an old game where Speaker Tip O’Neill might accuse Ronald Reagan of wanting to throw elderly people off Social Security (before dining with the Gipper and telling Irish stories).

(daily beast)
 
Your post means nothing other than X was caught in a Y time period.


Contextualize that for the last ten years, and let's see what you have.
obviously you do not follow the flow of economic migrants..those are record levels.
It's because they can illegally cross and once get in claim asylum
 
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Clinton, Obama, Schumer, Boxer, Feinstein, Biden voted YEA



On October 26, 2006, U.S. President George W. Bush signed the Secure Fence Act of 2006 (Pub.L. 109–367) into law stating, “This bill will help protect the American people. This bill will make our borders more secure."

The bill was introduced on Sep. 13, 2006 by Peter T. King (R-NY).

In the House of Representatives, the Fence Act passed 283–138 on September 14, 2006.

On September 29, 2006 – the Fence Act passed in the Senate 80–19.


https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/109-2006/s262


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the fence does not serve any purpose. it's easily bypassed. I've seen pictures where it's been burned thru with torches


We've all seen the prototype that Donald Trump selected himself from all of the designs. It is only 3 feet taller, and 3 feet wider.

In other words, it could still be circumvented by those who are willing to take the extra measures to do so.

So, Donnie's wall would be no measurable difference than what is already in place now.

Just a waste of many Billions of dollars that we don't even have and just added to the deficit.

Sorry, but the facts are the facts!
 
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Clinton, Obama, Schumer, Boxer, Feinstein, Biden voted YEA



On October 26, 2006, U.S. President George W. Bush signed the Secure Fence Act of 2006 (Pub.L. 109–367) into law stating, “This bill will help protect the American people. This bill will make our borders more secure."

The bill was introduced on Sep. 13, 2006 by Peter T. King (R-NY).

In the House of Representatives, the Fence Act passed 283–138 on September 14, 2006.

On September 29, 2006 – the Fence Act passed in the Senate 80–19.


https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/109-2006/s262

Good, I am all for secure borders.
 
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