countryboy
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That's what happens when you regurgitate the issued talking points, without having a clue what you're talking about.
You do realize he has gone full fascist in his speeches
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That's what happens when you regurgitate the issued talking points, without having a clue what you're talking about.
argumentative without purpose on your part.
Automation can only do so much. there are always gonna be assembly job.
The net amount of jobs is increased by this new NAFTA for the NAFTA region.
You can't stop automation and NAFTA was never intended to -it's a trade agreement.
this statement of your's then is silly when talking about auto jobs
we've already seen more auto jobs here. WTF are you talking about a " loss of jobs to a declining market?"
That may or may not be so depending on who's buying them ( worldwide supply and demand)
But it's not gemain to this discussion. we get more jobs because they are outsourced less because of the closer parity (not full parity -but closer) to US labor and Mexican assembly labor costs.
it's a new market for US dairy which was AT ZERO for US exports to Canada ( not talking about milk protein -dairy)
of course there is quality control. they have to meet tolerances etc.
But generally US product are better quality then Chinese It's a small point, but adds value to US parts.
It adds value to NAFTA over China as well
supply chain lag times.
Ordering from overseas is lees receptive to instant ups and down in demands.
Or a missed order or a defective order can quickly be replaced - instead of ordering from over seas
increasing Mexican wages raises base pay in the auto sector. that putsmore upwards pressure on wages,instead of dragging them down with cheap labot
completely wrong. There is less pressure to outsource US jobs when Mexican labor costs become higher
$25 - why not 50$.
and again Mexico has to agree to terms and won't sign when it's labor cost jump that high
absolutely not.
When looked at all together there are more NAFTA zone parts used. Wages are higher for Mexican,but also there is less outsourcing to Mexico. win/win/win
At least you're embracing your inner fascist now. Baby steps, I guess...
No, it's not increased just because you say so.
The economics aren't there for any job increase. Upping the % of a car made in NA by just 12.5% isn't going to spur all new manufacturing jobs. All it's going to do is maintain the status quo, which is an incremental decline in auto manufacturing employment, as we've seen over the last 2 decades.
You seem to think magic and wishing and prayer and faith are what will carry the economics here. That's just naive.
You're just avoiding the issue because you cannot reconcile your ludicrous support for what Trump did to NAFTA, and your equally ludicrous belief that it will create a single job. It won't. Jobs in the auto sector are being lost every day to robots. What took 100 line workers 20 years ago to build, is accomplished by 2 workers operating several dozen robots. And in due time, those robots won't even need the human workers to operate them, AI will take over.
It's stupid to think nominally increasing wages for Mexican workers, while nominally increasing the amount a car is built in North America, will create jobs. Only a cult member in the Cult of Trump would believe such stupidity.
No, it adds no value. You didn't say how it adds value, just that it does. Well, I'm not accommodating what you think as a legitimate position. So know your shit before half-assing it on threads like these.
And this new agreement changes things for the better, how? That's what I asked. Not what you pulled out of your ass to try and justify why you support the change that you don't seem to understand at all.
You said, plainly,. "transport", but you don't know what that means and cannot place it in any context.
Basically, you haven't done your homework on this. So fucking lazy. So disrespectful. Such arrogance.
It's not the base pay. It's where unionized autoworkers start. And it's not for all 700,000 Mexican workers. And it's not a wage high enough to spur jobs back to the US. The average wage for a unionized auto worker is double that of $16/hr. The average non-union auto worker is about 50-75% higher than $16/hr. So explain to me why any jobs would be created in the US when the prevailing wage in Mexico is as much as half the wage in the US?
You don't seem to understand things; or you do and are playing at being obtuse because you're a fucking troll.
So which is it? Are you a moron, or are you an asshole?
LOL!
Idiot.
The Mexican wage is still lower than that of the US.
So explain to me why an auto manufacturer would shift production from a plant where it pays some of its workers $16/hr to a different plant where it pays its workers a wage double that?
You seem to be relying on faith. Which is to be expected; religious Conservatives specialize in magical thinking but ultimately have no fucking clue what they're talking about, and make zero sense in the process.
How does raising Mexican wages to a level that is still below that of US wages, result in US wages increasing?
Take me through how that pressure works and is applied, because bottom line, wage is a wage and numbers are numbers. If it costs $16/hr to employ a worker in Mexico and that is still well below the prevailing wage for the same job in the US, why would the worker in the US see a wage increase? Magic? Faith? Jesus?
So you're just making this up as you go, aren't you?
Explain how raising Mexican wages to a level that is still well below prevailing US wages will put less pressure on US companies to outsource to Mexico? If the labor costs are still cheaper, how is the pressure eased?
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reagansghost
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yo stupid, Fascism is a political ideology which includes Nationalism as one of its central tenets. You can’t be a Fascist and not also be a Nationalist.
Trump displays his love for Fascism at every rally by calling for violence against his perceived enemies including the Press, also yells "America 1st" at every opportunity - pure Nationalism
but as a cult of personality member you can't comprehend any of that, got it
How long did it take for you to become this stupid, or is it natura,l never mind I think I know.
Well Those are the current talking points
reagansghost
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yo stupid, Fascism is a political ideology which includes Nationalism as one of its central tenets. You can’t be a Fascist and not also be a Nationalist.
Trump displays his love for Fascism at every rally by calling for violence against his perceived enemies including the Press, also yells "America 1st" at every opportunity - pure Nationalism
but as a cult of personality member you can't comprehend any of that, got it
It's not a labor cost to Mexico, it's a labor cost to the manufacturer.
It doesn't seem to me like you know what you're talking about.
You're just winging this discussion, aren't you? Thinking you can lazily skate by on privilege and accommodation.
BARF.
Enlightened One
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Do you have a life?