‘There is NO GOD’ Stephen Hawking’s final revelation of the afterlife REVEALED

[Rob Larrikin]

The point I was making is it is impossible to prove something does not exist, only that it does. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim that something does exist.

Agreed.

 

[Darth Omar]

God could figure that out, couldn't he?

If you ask for evidence it’s only fair to ask what the evidence would be comprised of.

 

[Darth Omar]

Larriken, you dumbshit.

While many on the left are Christian or otherwise "faithful" it is the right EXCLUSIVELY, that are a politically active force of conformity, exclusion,
and supposed "values." There is no religious left political force. The religious left is not even a thing, and they believe in a wall of separation,
choice, and hate you gravy sucking pigs who make life for the rest of us so bad. Force your despicable values on your hopeless children and leave
the great people alone.

Careful, one of the lefty Witches might put a hex on you for saying crap like that lol.

 

[Darth Omar]

For you. It doesn’t budge the needle for you. For millions of others, it does budge the needle. Also, the sun is only one object in a universe of jillions. Cavemen had little knowledge of how most things worked or why. Humans today know many answers to the most intricate questions. The sun was merely one example.


Scientists and philosophers are two different camps, though some intermix. As long as a human has no science he will invent a religion.

You seem to be saying since there are a bajillion things there is no God lol.

Part of the problem is the question of God is as much a philosophical question as a scientific one. Science says there’s no God—because that’s the only thing science has to say about it. Science excludes certain kinds of conclusions from the outset; so to say ‘science says there is no God’ is kind of meaningless.

 

[Ross Dolan]

I already did the P1 and P2.

Then I conceded it [apparent design] didn’t directly point to God [there are theological reasons why it wouldn’t] and you’ve done nothing but simply assert that I’m wrong.

You can do better than this, Frankie.

I've done a hell of a lot more than simply assert that you are wrong.

But I thank you for acknowledging that all you are doing is making blind guesses about the existence of gods...and about their nature.

Fact is, that is all any of us can do. We can guess gods exist; we can guess they do not; we can guess about the nature of any that might exist.

The evidence (such as there is) is ambiguous.

You also asserted that the god of Abraham is the best candidate for the god you blindly guess exists.

I've seen no logical presentation of why that is...other than what you want it to be.

 

[Darth Omar]

I've done a hell of a lot more than simply assert that you are wrong.

But I thank you for acknowledging that all you are doing is making blind guesses about the existence of gods...and about their nature.

Fact is, that is all any of us can do. We can guess gods exist; we can guess they do not; we can guess about the nature of any that might exist.

The evidence (such as there is) is ambiguous.

You also asserted that the god of Abraham is the best candidate for the god you blindly guess exists.

I've seen no logical presentation of why that is...other than what you want it to be.

‘In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.’

The universe had a beginning. What other candidates are there lol? I’m willing to take a look at them.

 

[Ross Dolan]

There is no evidence of any god and the fact that there are billions of phones and satellites, and people with eyes and there is no credible evidence ever, anywhere,
at any time, that can be looked at, and substantiated, make the existence of god improbable, unless one entertains the idea that god is a great deceiver hiding his
existence or the fact of existence itself is evidence of god.

So I take exception. There is no empirical evidence of god at all. That means that it is more probable there is no god. In fact it makes the existence of god
statistically impossible as far as measuring. No evidence whatsoever. None. Zip.

There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE WHATEVER that there is any sentient life on any planet circling the nearest 20 stars to Sol.

NONE WHATSOEVER.

Would you actually say that because of that...we should assume that sentient life does not exist there?

Would you say..."There is no evidence of any sentient life on those planets...and the fact that there are billions of phones and satellites, and people with eyes and there is no credible evidence ever, anywhere, at any time, that can be looked at, and substantiated, make the existence of sentient life there improbable, unless one entertains the idea that the sentient life is a great deceiver hiding its existence?

C'mon, Micawber.

The assertion "gods do not exist"...is every bit as much a blind guess as the assertion "a GOD exists."

The assertion "it is more likely that gods do not exist" is every bit as much a blind guess as the assertion "it is more likely that a GOD does exist."

 

[Ross Dolan]

You don't have to say "There are no gods," to be an atheist. All you have to do is say, "I don't believe there are any gods," and you are an atheist. If someone wants me to believe in a god all they have to do is provide real evidence.

I knew that bullshit would come up.

Get away from the labels...and talk about what you are actually asserting.

I am asserting that I do not know if there are no gods...or if at least one god exists.

What are you asserting?

 

[Ross Dolan]

Mercifully, only faith is needed, not logic. We walk by faith, not by sight.
God is more than able to do all things according to HIS will, not OURS.
Logic is only a factor here with our finite minds.

Right.

In order to assert there is a god and do all that nonsense that gods apparently require...

...all one has to do is make a blind guess that a god exists...and then stone-headedly refuse to budge from that blind guess.

It helps if you call your blind guess a "belief"...and if you call your stone-headedness "faith."

 

[sear]

"We can guess gods exist" FA #245

You explain why you disbelieve in all the other gods, all the other religions except for the one you have chosen to believe in, and you'll then understand why I disbelieve them all. paraphrase of s2

"we can guess they do not" FA #245

There's a 3rd option:
go on about your business, and as best you can shrug off and ignore the totally unproved supernatural mumbo-jumbo.

 

[Ross Dolan]

It's such a fucktard (and frankly desperate and pathetic) argument that religiosity is on equal intellectual footing as secular belief because neither can falsify the other.
And that is the goal, as you can tell by these Republican, religious jerks.

First of all, religiosity doesn't do anything, much less prove anything. Second, it's the same as saying empiricism equals candyland.
So, we have all the science, make jet aircraft, drugs, AI, walk on the moon and everything else from agriculture to zenor diodes, and you
fuckwits give your money to a temple and some guy who casts spells and says you get to go to happyland with happy ghosts, and you think that is
in any way "equal" as far as intellectual dignity is concerned because I can't take your fantasy, shake it in a beaker and distill the fucktarded
essense of it to display for you rubes? Laughable. I have withheld my contempt because I don't roll like that.

Not sure what you were saying there...

...BUT without a doubt...

...any assertion that there are no gods or that it is more likely that there are no gods...

...IS EVERY BIT AS MUCH A BLIND GUESS...

...as an assertion that there is a GOD or that it is more likely that there is.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Your belief in God exists, and your feelings about God exist. That is true. What doesn't exist is evidence. There are feelings and emotions, and wishes, and fears. But no evidence.

Actually...there may be evidence that a god exists...it is just that the "evidence" is ambiguous, because it might just as well be evidence that no gods exist.

EVERYTHING MAY be evidence that a god exists...and EVERYTHING MAY be evidence that there are no gods.

We just do not know.

What we lack is UNAMBIGUOUS EVIDENCE in either direction.

That is why the assertions in either direction are nothing more than blind guesses.

 

[Ross Dolan]

No it is not.

Bigfoot doesn't exist, neither does the Yeti.
There is no Loch Ness Monster.
We are not being visited by little gray aliens or any other aliens.
There isn't one single T-Rex walking the Earth right now, not anywhere.
God doesn't exist.

It is only the last statement about God where you see people making the claim that because non-believers can't prove that God doesn't exist the believers belief in a fairy tale is just as strong an opinion. It is only with God that proving a negative is expected, if this thread were about anything but God it would be in the Conspiracy forum along with the Bigfoot and Alien talk..or my personal favorite, Bigfoot IS an Alien.

The assertion that no gods exist...

...IS NOTHING BUT A BLIND GUESS.

If you want to kid yourself...be my guess.

The assertion that a GOD exists...

...IS NOTHING BUT A BLIND GUESS.

If there are others who want to kid themselves...be my guest.

Claims require proof. Someone who due to lack of evidence chooses to believe something doesn't exist is not the same as someone who chooses to ignore the lack of evidence and believe anyway.

Yes they do.

And if you are making the claim "REALITY contains no gods"...the burden of proof falls on your for that claim.

 

[Ross Dolan]

You're right - there is nothing wrong with believing God does not exist, since there is no evidence he does.

As for Frank, he likes the word 'blind' because he's mostly blind to any reason. He thashes about in his den, bashing the stained keyboard and ranting - there's no reasoning with him.

There is a great deal more "reasoning" and "logic" in what I have been saying on this issue...than is contained in what you have written.

You are a phony, Rob.

Your mind is as closed as the mind of the most close-minded theist around.

Mine is open. Gods may exist. There may be no gods. I do not know which it is...and I suspect nobody else alive knows either.

I have no problem with anyone blindly guessing either way...OR WITH anyone else teaching their kids to blindly guess the way they do, either.

At some point, everyone should grow up enough to accept or reject what they have been taught.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Sorry - I must have misunderstood this:

You certainly did.

I agree with Guille completely on that.

The assertion "A god exists"...AT LEAST HAS THE CHANCE OF BEING PROVABLE. (It would be one hell of a job...but a god, if it is the kind of god that wants to "reveal" itself...could certainly do it.)

The assertion "No gods exist"...CAN NEVER BE PROVEN. All it can ever be is a blind guess.

Let me repeat that: THE ASSERTION "THERE ARE NO GODS" CAN NEVER BE PROVEN. ALL IT CAN EVER BE IS A BLIND GUESS.

 

[Lightbringer]

The assertion that no gods exist...

...IS NOTHING BUT A BLIND GUESS.

If you want to kid yourself...be my guess.

The assertion that a GOD exists...

...IS NOTHING BUT A BLIND GUESS.

If there are others who want to kid themselves...be my guest.




Yes they do.

And if you are making the claim "REALITY contains no gods"...the burden of proof falls on your for that claim.

OK, keep ignoring the point Frank. Given a lack of evidence the person who believes is not equivalent to the person who doesn't believe. If we substitute Bigfoot for God you wouldn't be making this claim.

 

[Ross Dolan]

You seem to be saying since there are a bajillion things there is no God lol.

Part of the problem is the question of God is as much a philosophical question as a scientific one. Science says there’s no God—because that’s the only thing science has to say about it. Science excludes certain kinds of conclusions from the outset; so to say ‘science says there is no God’ is kind of meaningless.

What the hell are you saying here????

You made two different...and seemingly contradictory...assertions here...one of which I disagree completely.

 

[Ross Dolan]

‘In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.’

The universe had a beginning. What other candidates are there lol? I’m willing to take a look at them.

You are blindly guessing there was a "beginning."

Existence and everything else...MAY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN.

So look at that...realize there is no need for a "beginning"...and stop pretending that "a god" is the only possible answer for that part of your blind guessing.

 

[Ross Dolan]

You explain why you disbelieve in all the other gods, all the other religions except for the one you have chosen to believe in, and you'll then understand why I disbelieve them all. paraphrase of s2

I do not do "believing."

At no point have I suggested gods exist or do not exist.

There's a 3rd option:
go on about your business, and as best you can shrug off and ignore the totally unproved supernatural mumbo-jumbo.

If you want to go off...go off.

I'm enjoying this conversation.

 

[Ross Dolan]

OK, keep ignoring the point Frank. Given a lack of evidence the person who believes is not equivalent to the person who doesn't believe. If we substitute Bigfoot for God you wouldn't be making this claim.

Yeah, I would.

If you are asserting that "Bigfoot" does not exist...

...I would tell you that the burden of proof for that assertion falls on you.

If you are asserting that unicorns do not exist...the same thing.

I doubt you could do it. It is very, very difficult to PROVE a negative assertion of that type.

So...you are wrong that I would not be making the same claim.