cawacko
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Is being gay the only determinent of ones tolerance?
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Is being gay the only determinent of ones tolerance?
So all this is vague and anecdotal. I've been to SF many times myself, and didn't find it intolerant at all. I'm trying to find out how you're a victim of intolerance.
I'm using that as an example, so try to answer honestly.
Do you think intolerance of (insert any minority group here) is the same thing as intolerance of intolerance of (insert any minority group here).
cawacko
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You've been here many times? Really?
You asked for examples I gave them. If you don't want to acknowledge it's existence thats on you.
Yes, I agree, except that some liberals are intolerant of the civil rights and liberties of conservative ideas. They oppose "hate speech," speech by conservative speakers, and allowing demonstrations by white supremacy groups.
But I agree that is a area where liberals are generally more tolerant. But they are more intolerant of those they don't like. There are hundreds of posts by those smirking at people (not necessarily conservative) if they are from the South, own guns, hunt and fish, and are religious. I can remember many discussions with fellow graduate students or faculty members who would smirk when it was mentioned the person was a hunter or a religious conservative. Disagreeing with others can be done without insults, calling names, suggesting they are stupid or uneducated. We treat friends and family who have different views much more sympathetically than we do strangers.
cawacko
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You're trying to justify your beliefs in wanting conservatives to die or leave the country or whatever it was you preciously stated as tolerance.
California voted for Prop 8 in 2008. We are not a tolerant state based on your definitions?
Hell yeah. As recently as 2013. In fact, I was at the A's-Red Sox game the night the Zimmerman verdict was announced. On the BART through Oakland back to SF, we saw the protesters.
But those weren't really examples, they were vague and ambiguous.
Such as...?
So in your mind, that's the same thing as hate speech? Being intolerant of hate speech is the same thing as intolerant hate speech?
"I hate gay people"
"I hate you because you hate gay people"
These are the same thing?
I currently live in the South and I can tell you most of the people who say they own guns, hunt, and fish and are religious are posturing. The reason so many liberals "smirk" when Conservatives posture, is because they're posturing.
The true number of people who actually do the things they say here is much smaller than advertised.
You're the one trying to equate intolerance of a minority group with intolerance of that intolerance.
It's the tolerance paradox. You're caught in it because you don't want to admit that one side of the argument has no moral authority because of their inherent intolerance.
You describe liberal intolerance as a reaction to Conservative intolerance. So without Conservative intolerance, there is no liberal intolerance.
Earth to moron: it's 2018 and since then, Prop 8 was overturned.
Free speech about anything they might disagree with. For example, a speakers who oppose affirmative action have been blocked on college campuses. It is like Muslims because it is still intolerance. Intolerance is not more acceptable because it is aimed at something "worse" than another type.
A lot of it is based on anger and hostility that often is not about politics. Political psychology says certain personality traits may take the form of politics or other behaviors. Some comes from a type of rebellion from those who did not experience it as a teenager (often seen by activist radical college students).
Hunting and fishing and gun ownership are also very common in the South. And I was not talking about liberals smirking about a conservative posturing, but when a person with those characteristics was mentioned in conversation among liberals.
I'm not sure I have heard anybody posturing by saying he hunts, fishes, or owns guns who does not.
cawacko
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Being overturned by a judge doesn't take away that our state voted to ban gay marriage. That's the will of the people in action. So how can we as Californians be intolerant of intolerance when we ourselves are intolerant?
cawacko
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Regarding the last paragraph I was thinking the same thing myself. Not to say it's never happened but I can't recall ever hearing people brag that they hunt when they don't. Or say they own a gun when they don't. (granted I live in an area where hunting and gun ownership is not high)
Getin the ring
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was there a topic here?
oh yea
Moral policy depends on ones morals
If you believe in life at conception then surely you believe abortion is immoral.
If you don't then, to most liberals it's just the ridding of an inconvenience, or accident.
Racism is another politically convenient label liberals like to put on conservatives. imo
But if you truly believe your race in superior then that is immoral
A man marrying another man in immoral to most conservatives, it's our beliefs
you can spin anything
oh yea
Moral policy depends on ones morals
If you believe in life at conception then surely you believe abortion is immoral.
If you don't then, to most liberals it's just the ridding of an inconvenience, or accident.
Racism is another politically convenient label liberals like to put on conservatives. imo
But if you truly believe your race in superior then that is immoral
A man marrying another man in immoral to most conservatives, it's our beliefs
you can spin anything
I was saying some liberals are intolerant because they want to prohibit hate speech. I was just posting with a person recently who claimed hate speech is not constitutionally protected and can be punished and I argued that it is legal free speech.
"I hate you because you hate gay people"
"I hate gay people"
One has a higher purpose but they are both equally intolerant and full of hate. That makes them both counterproductive if one really wants to make things better. Being tolerant, friendly, sympathetic, and understanding could make changes in that person more readily than hating and insulting them which only leads to them become defensive. You are driving them away from change.
For some, telling others they are not prejudiced toward gays is more important than actually not being prejudiced. It gives them a feeling of moral superiority.
While I understand the point you are making I don’t believe it to be true. Democrats abandoned the working man only to the extent the party bought into free trade globalization during bill Clinton and thereafter. Democrats never (in my lifetime) were for anyone who displays the blatant racism of Trumptards. Only to that extent is the white working man being rejected. Dems are for a host of programs from Obamacare, welfare, more money for VA and troop pay, educational grants, etc etc that serves the white working man more than Republicans do. Uneducated Hicks is simply counter trolling the KKK people on this board. You won’t hear that otherwise.