Democrats Falsely Claim Jesus was a Socialist

Damocles said:
None of those propound socialism. They talk about your personal responsibility. Government existed in Jesus' supposed time, he could have said it was the responsibility of government but didn't.

You are supposed to help these people personally, it doesn't say, "If your brother is hungry, you should take money from your neighbor and give it to your brother."

These concepts existed, he definitely could have said that panem et circenses is the responsibility of government. But he didn't.
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Any reasonable reading of the teachings of Jesus...not only heads in the direction of socialism...but of COMMUNISM. It is okay, American conservatives...you can acknowledge that the progressive agenda is MUCH, MUCH closer and aligned with the teachings of Jesus...than is the American conservative agenda.

It won't hurt.
 
"Let's help each other get through this" is MUCH closer to the teachings of Jesus than "I've got mine, fuck you."

That pretty much covers this issue, because "Let's help each other get through this" is closer to the progressive agenda than to the American conservative agenda...

...and "I've got mine, fuck you" is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH closer to the American conservative agenda than to the progressive agenda.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Any reasonable reading of the teachings of Jesus...not only heads in the direction of socialism...but of COMMUNISM. It is okay, American conservatives...you can acknowledge that the progressive agenda is MUCH, MUCH closer and aligned with the teachings of Jesus...than is the American conservative agenda.

It won't hurt.
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But it will, they have "heretics" to burn at the stake.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Any reasonable reading of the teachings of Jesus...not only heads in the direction of socialism...but of COMMUNISM. It is okay, American conservatives...you can acknowledge that the progressive agenda is MUCH, MUCH closer and aligned with the teachings of Jesus...than is the American conservative agenda.

It won't hurt.
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I personally don't believe in Jesus, but socialism is not what Jesus taught by a large margin. Again, Government existed, even a republic, while Jesus was purported to live. He absolutely could have promoted the government solution, but did not. If you actually believe in Jesus, you would also believe that he knows everything, including what the world would be like today and would absolutely have promoted a government solution if that was what he was teaching.

Jesus spoke to what the individual should do if he believed, not what the people should force others to do because some faction of government believed. It seems odd and extremely hypocritical to me that the same people who say that no believer should use any part of their belief for their conduct while acting as a judge or a congressperson would then try to convince me I should support something in government because their version of the same sky daddy supposedly tells me to if I ignore the personal message of the religion and pretend it means we should establish governments that force others to follow the religion.

I am a results oriented person. I look at the incredible level of poverty and cruelty in socialist nations and compare it to the level of poverty in a more free environment and I see with my own eyes that what you call "capitalism" (we have regulated markets, not pure capitalism) has been the best solution by far.
 
Damocles said:
I personally don't believe in Jesus, but socialism is not what Jesus taught by a large margin. Again, Government existed, even a republic, while Jesus was purported to live. He absolutely could have promoted the government solution, but did not. If you actually believe in Jesus, you would also believe that he knows everything, including what the world would be like today and would absolutely have promoted a government solution if that was what he was teaching.

Jesus spoke to what the individual should do if he believed, not what the people should force others to do because some faction of government believed. It seems odd and extremely hypocritical to me that the same people who say that no believer should use any part of their belief for their conduct while acting as a judge or a congressperson would then try to convince me I should support something in government because their version of the same sky daddy supposedly tells me to if I ignore the personal message of the religion and pretend it means we should establish governments that force others to follow the religion.

I am a results oriented person. I look at the incredible level of poverty and cruelty in socialist nations and compare it to the level of poverty in a more free environment and I see with my own eyes that what you call "capitalism" (we have regulated markets, not pure capitalism) has been the best solution by far.
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If Jesus could see the future...lots of things about his teachings would be different.

Hell...if Herbert Hoover could see the future...lots of things he did would be different.

But the tendency of the teachings of Jesus agree in kind with the progressive agenda...and have absolutely NO AFFINITY WITH THE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE AGENDA WHATSOEVER.

Name a significant plank in the American conservative agenda that you suppose agrees with what Jesus taught.

Let's talk about it.

Then we can go to a second...if there is a first.
 
blackascoal said:
I can't account for your understanding or lack about socialism, but every passage I posted clearly speaks to the concepts of socialsim.

Jesus isn't following socialism, socialism is following Jesus.

“If your brother becomes poor and cannot maintain himself with you, you shall support him as though he were a stranger and a sojourner, and he shall live with you. Take no interest from him or profit, but fear your God, that your brother may live beside you. You shall not lend him your money at interest, nor give him your food for profit."

Not sure how much clearer it need be .. but you are free to your own interpretations.
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OK, individuals all over the world in every country should take the poor and needy into their homes, feed them, clothe them, help them to get on their feet, learn a trade and work and care for them. Again, the admonishment is to individuals. Absent doing THAT, people can support organizations or churches or synagogues who are equipped and staffed to handle these situations. The result is the same. The truly destitute can be cared for. :)
 
Frank Apisa said:
If Jesus could see the future...lots of things about his teachings would be different.

Hell...if Herbert Hoover could see the future...lots of things he did would be different.

But the tendency of the teachings of Jesus agree in kind with the progressive agenda...and have absolutely NO AFFINITY WITH THE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE AGENDA WHATSOEVER.

Name a significant plank in the American conservative agenda that you suppose agrees with what Jesus taught.

Let's talk about it.

Then we can go to a second...if there is a first.
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Herbert Hoover was never claimed to be God by anybody at all, while Jesus is part of a "trinity" and is God according to those who believe. He absolutely could have specifically taught about government rather than personal responsibility, but did not.

There is no verse in the bible that says that, "If you don't have enough to give it is your prerogative to take from your neighbor and give in your name. Do this for me because I told you to feed the poor."

He said, if you believe you will do this. He didn't say, if you believe you will force others to do this.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Any reasonable reading of the teachings of Jesus...not only heads in the direction of socialism...but of COMMUNISM. It is okay, American conservatives...you can acknowledge that the progressive agenda is MUCH, MUCH closer and aligned with the teachings of Jesus...than is the American conservative agenda.

It won't hurt.
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Like you would actually LOVE to have a government run by Judeo-Christian orders. You can't stand having the Ten Commandments publicly displayed so don't try selling us on the idea that you want allllllllll of Jesus Christ's teachings made mandatory for government rule. :palm:
 
Stretch said:
Like you would actually LOVE to have a government run by Judeo-Christian orders. You can't stand having the Ten Commandments publicly displayed so don't try selling us on the idea that you want allllllllll of Jesus Christ's teachings made mandatory for government rule. :palm:
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He would just want the ones that somehow could be construed as free shit...
 
Stretch said:
Like you would actually LOVE to have a government run by Judeo-Christian orders. You can't stand having the Ten Commandments publicly displayed so don't try selling us on the idea that you want allllllllll of Jesus Christ's teachings made mandatory for government rule. :palm:
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I think we could do without the stoning for starters.
 
This was as political as Jesus got.................................

Paying Taxes to Caesar
(Matthew 22:15-22; Luke 20:19-26)

13Later, they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to catch Jesus in His words. 14“Teacher,” they said, “we know that You are honest and are swayed by no one. Indeed, You are impartial and teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Now then, is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar or not? Should we pay them or not?”

15But Jesus saw through their hypocrisy and said, “Why are you testing Me? Bring Me a denarius (roughly a day's wage) to inspect.” 16So they brought it, and He asked them, “Whose likeness is this? And whose inscription?”

“Caesar’s,” they answered.

17Then Jesus told them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”

And they marveled at Him.

Mark 12:13-17
 
Damocles said:
None of them do. All of them clearly speak to your personal responsibility as a believer. If you believe that religion, these are things that you will do, it does not say, "You shall establish a government that will do this for you and absolve you of this responsibility while forcing others to do what I say is right."

There is nothing in those verses that promotes absolution and avoidance of responsibility by making others do what you should do.
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Don't get this twisted brother. You are absolutely free to conceptualize Jesus, religion, and socialism in any way you chose to frame it. Makes no difference to me. But the truth of this could not be more clear.

First, quite obviously you have absolutely no idea what socialism is. Without question it does not promote "absolution and avoidance of responsibility by making others do what you should do." That's a cartoon version that you needed for your false argument.

Here's what you missed ..
For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened, but that as a matter of fairness your abundance at the present time should supply their need, so that their abundance may supply your need, that there may be fairness. As it is written, “Whoever gathered much had nothing left over, and whoever gathered little had no lack.”

Ephesians 4:28
Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need.

Neither Jesus nor socialism demand avoidance of responsibility. Socialism is the acceptance of responsibility as are the words in front of you. You LABOR so you can give back and empower the whole.

Here's a reading assignment .. :0) there will be a test.

Any of this sound familiar?

Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands… The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society. This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature. The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population. Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education). It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights.

Every single word is as true today as when it was written in 1949.

Why Socialism?
By Albert Einstein
https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/

I would love to have this conversation with you, but if all you have are cartoon characterizations, what would be the point?
 
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