poll:who was best Pres in your lifetime

[Truth Detector]

No, 29,000 people die every year in this country because of lack of health care.

LINK please. So then this means that Obamacare isn't working. Another lie exposed.

And no one dies in other countries because of rationing.

Wrong again; you don't like to work with facts do you?

Wait times for health care in Canada have lengthened considerably over the past two decades. Across 12 major medical specialties, the estimated typical wait time has risen from 9.3 weeks in 1993 to 18.2 weeks in 2013. These inordinately long waits, among the longest in the developed world, have become a defining feature of the Canadian healthcare experience.

Waiting for medically necessary care is not a benign process and can have important consequences both for patients and for those who care for and rely upon them. Delayed access to medical care may subject patients to increased pain, suffering, and mental anguish. Waiting for health care can also have broader economic consequences such as increased absenteeism, reduced productivity, and reduced ability to work for the individual waiting as well as for family members and friends who are concerned for them or may be called to assist them with activities of daily living. Waiting may also lead to poorer outcomes from care, if not a requirement for more complex treatments, as a result of deterioration in the patients’ condition while they wait for treatment. Such deterioration may also result in permanent disability.

Beyond these serious personal and economic consequences lies the risk of death resulting from delayed medical care. In the 2005 Chaoulli decision, Justices of the Supreme Court of Canada noted that patients in Canada die as a result of waiting lists for universally accessible health care. Numerous studies have demonstrated the negative impact of wait times on patient outcomes for a variety of specific diseases and medical conditions. Studies also point to the reality that wait times can have an impact on general health and well-being, which may also result in untimely demise. The unanswered question in the discussion so far has been how many died due to delays in receiving timely care?
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/effect-of-wait-times-on-mortality-in-canada.pdf

You're conflating elective procedures like face-lifts with essential and necessary procedures like bypass and organ transplants.

No I am not. But do keep flailing. It's kind of amusing; even if it is moronic.

 

[Truth Detector]

yeah, Canada is such a hellscape.

More non-serious rhetoric.

 

[Truth Detector]

But they don't really own their homes; the banks do.

And not sure why you want to tout home ownership since that is what got us into the mess in the 2000's as you tried to juice the housing market to make the economy look like it was growing as a result of tax cuts, when it was really growing as a result of debt, debt, debt.

 

[Truth Detector]

No it didn't boom, you tool.

If it did, then there wouldn't have been a recession or the S&L crisis.

 

[Truth Detector]

I don't recall any Conservative saying that wages would go down before they went up.

 

[Truth Detector]

Yes. Time Warner. One of the largest there is.

You didn't learn much then.

 

[Truth Detector]

Dunning-Kruger alert.

You come on these boards and posture when ultimately, you don't really have any idea what you're talking about.

This from the person who fabricates almost everything they erupt with - no facts.

 

[LV426]

That's like saying the '90's didn't boom because of the dot com bust. Hell based on your definition America's economy has never boomed

Fair enough.

 

[LV426]

Housing doesn't operate in a bubble. You have to go back in time to look at the pokicies that led to the bubble and you choose to act as if the Fed doesn't exist when they were the main driver of the housing bubble with their easy money policies.

You're being shown evidence that subprime lending did in fact happen as a bubble, and subprime lending was what caused the housing crisis according to both Bush's Working Group and The Federal Reserve Board of Governors:

“The Presidents Working Group’s March policy statement acknowledged that turmoil in financial markets clearly was triggered by a dramatic weakening of underwriting standards for U.S. subprime mortgages, beginning in late 2004 and extending into 2007.”
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-cen...s update.pdf

"Since 1995 there has been essentially no change in the basic CRA rules or enforcement process that can be reasonably linked to the subprime lending activity. This fact weakens the link between the CRA and the current crisis since the crisis is rooted in poor performance of mortgage loans made between 2004 and 2007. "
http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsev...3_analysis.pdf

 

[LV426]

HYou have to go back in time to look at the pokicies that led to the bubble and you choose to act as if the Fed doesn't exist when they were the main driver of the housing bubble with their easy money policies.

Lowering the interest rate doesn't magically create demand among borrowers. if it did, then there wouldn't have been a need to reduce lending standards.

That's why Bush had to reduce lending standards; he needed to generate borrowers in order to fill the demand for subprime-backed securities in the secondary and tertiary markets.

It's like how the Border Patrol had to lower their standards in order to meet the 20,000 agents they were supposed to have; they couldn't find qualified candidates to fill those roles, so they lowered the bar for qualifications. Same thing happened with subprime loans.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

LOL, yeah I'm a radicalized right wing for understanding the housing bubble and financial collapse. You picked the wrong person to troll. Good luck getting banned again

Yes, you are a radicalized right wing nut job if you don't think Bush Jr. bears any responsibility for the mortgage crisis. Look in the mirror if you want to see someone who doesn't understand the housing bubble and mortgage crisis. I have proof. You don't. Just radicalized right wing talking points.

Answer me these questions:
Do you admit that Bush Jr's American Dream Downpayment Act of 2002 allowed low income homebuyers the ability to get mortgages and buy homes with little or no money down?
Did you notice the housing boom explode in 2004-2005 when home sellers were typically getting 10% MORE than their listing price which was unprecedented?
Are you aware that homeowners defaults on mortgages skyrocketed by 2007 and into 2008? Why do you think that was?
Can you understand what it would do to banks to have numerous bad mortgages on their books?

The mortgage market began suffering serious problems in mid-2005. According to data from the Mortgage Bankers Association, the share of mortgage loans that were “seriously delinquent” (90 days or more past due or in the process of foreclosure) averaged 1.7 percent from 1979 to 2006, with a low of about 0.7 percent (in 1979) and a high of about 2.4 percent (in 2002). But by the second quarter of 2008, the share of seriously delinquent mortgages had surged to 4.5 percent. These delinquencies foreshadowed a sharp rise in foreclosures: roughly 1.2 million foreclosures were started in the first half of 2008, an increase of 79 percent from the 650,000 in the first half of 2007 (Federal Reserve estimates based on data from the Mortgage Bankers Association).

Game. Set. Match!!!

Thanks for playing.

 

[LV426]

LINK please. So then this means that Obamacare isn't working. Another lie exposed.

As lawmakers debate GOP healthcare bill, new study finds stripping people of insurance can be deadly
The number of Americans who die prematurely would rise by about 29,000 each year if the health reform plan put forth by Senate Republicans were to go into full effect, a new report suggests.
The report affirms, and updates, a landmark review conducted by the National Academies of Science's Institute of Medicine in 2002. Research published since then "strengthens confidence" in the findings of the original report, wrote Dr. Steffie Woolhandler and Dr. David Himmelstein, both experts on public health at Hunter College in New York who support a national, single-payer health system.
http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-health-insurance-mortality-20170626-story.html

And Obamacare got 24,000,000 people insured...so it worked.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

So is this the new thing with racist right wingers? When they get their ass kicked in a thread they run to the mods, who are their allies and get you banned?

Fuckin Cowards.

They get their asses kicked in a debate and they wet their pink panties and run to mommy. What a bunch of Trump grabbing pussies.

 

[LV426]

Wait times for health care in Canada have lengthened considerably over the past two decades. Across 12 major medical specialties, the estimated typical wait time has risen from 9.3 weeks in 1993 to 18.2 weeks in 2013.

So your link doesn't say what those 12 specialties are. And specialties = elective procedures.

Also, average wait time in the US is more than Canada.

Also, wait times in Canada will be skewed upward by people who live in remote regions in Canada who don't have easy access to health care, as your link even says.

 

[LV426]

Looks like you've been triggered.

 

[LV426]

You didn't learn much then.

Well, since you've never worked a day in your life, I don't really care what you think.

 

[Cypress]

You can’t deny his popularity though. No national political figure in the US was as popular as Reagan dating back to FDR.

I am not sure I agree with that.
I could be wrong, but I recall that polling of the time generally showed Reagan to have fair to middling job approval ratings. They ranged from abysmal (when his crimes against the constitution became known, or during his 1982-83 recession), to relatively high at the end of his presidency when nostalgia set in.

Undoubtedly, Reagan was very popular with swaths of the religious right, middle class and working class whites, bible thumpers, et al. My recollection is that he was absolutely loathed in minority communities, the gay community, and disadvantaged communities.

What can be said objectively, is that he easily won two election campaigns against extremely weak Democratic candidates of the time. Carter was never going to recover from the oil shock and the hostage crisis, and Mondale was basically seen as a second term of Jimmy Carter, which a lot of people at the time did not want.

 

[TTQ64]

Yes, you are a radicalized right wing nut job if you don't think Bush Jr. bears any responsibility for the mortgage crisis. Look in the mirror if you want to see someone who doesn't understand the housing bubble and mortgage crisis. I have proof. You don't. Just radicalized right wing talking points.

Answer me these questions:
Do you admit that Bush Jr's American Dream Downpayment Act of 2002 allowed low income homebuyers the ability to get mortgages and buy homes with little or no money down?
Did you notice the housing boom explode in 2004-2005 when home sellers were typically getting 10% MORE than their listing price which was unprecedented?
Are you aware that homeowners defaults on mortgages skyrocketed by 2007 and into 2008? Why do you think that was?
Can you understand what it would do to banks to have numerous bad mortgages on their books?

The mortgage market began suffering serious problems in mid-2005. According to data from the Mortgage Bankers Association, the share of mortgage loans that were “seriously delinquent” (90 days or more past due or in the process of foreclosure) averaged 1.7 percent from 1979 to 2006, with a low of about 0.7 percent (in 1979) and a high of about 2.4 percent (in 2002). But by the second quarter of 2008, the share of seriously delinquent mortgages had surged to 4.5 percent. These delinquencies foreshadowed a sharp rise in foreclosures: roughly 1.2 million foreclosures were started in the first half of 2008, an increase of 79 percent from the 650,000 in the first half of 2007 (Federal Reserve estimates based on data from the Mortgage Bankers Association).

Game. Set. Match!!!

Thanks for playing.

He's a right winger who pretends he's not. He says he didn't vote for dump, but he supports EVERYTHING dump and the republican does, just like CFM.

 

[LV426]

How can anyone with TDS rant about others hatred? The hatred for Trump from the left has no equal.

I hate Trump because he's a bad person.

You hated Obama because you're a bad person.

 

[LV426]

What planet are you on dude? Planet liar?

The fall of the Berlin Wall began on November 9, 1989 marking the start of the German Reunificaion.

Reagan left office on January 20, 1989

So is November 9th, 1989 before or after January 20, 1989?

Time is linear.